The Catcher in the Rye Ch. 23: The Safest Place He’s Ever Been | Banned Books

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Welcome to Band Camp.

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I'm Jennifer.

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Welcome to Banned Books And I'm Dan, and this is the podcast where we read banned books out loud and try to figure out why they were banned in the first place.

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This season we're reading "The Catcher in the Rye" by J.D.

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Salinger, and you can consider this a quick spoiler warning because everything Jennifer is about to start reading from the book out loud word for word is probably gonna be a spoil if you Haven't ever read the book before.

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But if you're new here, you can jump in right here and you're gonna be fine.

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We're gonna get you up to speed real quick.

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And if anything does feel confusing, there's a very good chance we're gonna be confused too because we've never read the book either.

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So we're reading it right along with you, which is exactly why we have ourselves a secret weapon.

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Come on in here, Buddy Boy.

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Look at this guy.

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We have ourselves a fact-checking robot.

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Buddy Boy's gonna roll in here and tell everyone where we left off last time.

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Robot.

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Previously on Band Camp, Holden described the only job he wished he could have.

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He wanted to stand on the edge of a cliff in a field of rye and catch kids before they fall off.

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Jennifer said he could be a therapist, and then Dan asked if they finally got the title of the book right.

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They did.

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They also asked me to explain it.

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I declined, so I honestly think they still don't know what the title means.

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Anywho, some people build the safest place they've ever been and then walk out the door five minutes later.

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I have no explanation for this.

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Take it away, Jennifer Thank you, robot.

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And with that being said, Scary Book people, let's begin chapter twenty-three of J.D.

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Salinger's "The Catcher in the Rye."

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I made it very snappy on the phone because I was afraid my parents would barge in on me right in the middle of it.

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They didn't, though.

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Mr.

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Antolini was very nice.

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He said I could come right over if I wanted to.

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I think I probably woke he and his wife up because it took them a hell of a long time to answer the phone.

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What are you talking about? What kind of relationship does this kid have with an old teacher? well, so what time is it? Well, he's in the middle of the night.

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It is? I thought it was like...

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Yeah.

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And his parents are still out partying? Yeah.

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But what kind of relationship if, if a former student calls and he's like, "If you wanna come on over, come on over, Holden."

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Like, what are you talking about? Is there any teacher in your life that if you called, "Hey, hey, Mrs.

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Jones, what's going on?" "Oh, come right over, kid that I taught 80 years ago."

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It's like, what? Wow.

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Yeah, I would call that an inappropriate type relationship.

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the first thing he asked me was if anything was wrong, and I said no.

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I said I'd flunked out of Pencey though.

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I thought I might as well tell him.

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He said, "Good God," when I said that.

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He had a good sense of humor and all.

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He told me to come right over if I felt like it.

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He was about the best teacher I ever had, Mr.

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Antolini.

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He was a pretty young guy, not much older than my brother D.B.,

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and you could kid around with him without losing your respect for He was the one that finally picked up that boy that jumped out the window I told you about, James Castle.

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Okay, so this guy is like a hero figure because he is more authentic and he jumped in when others he was more authentic and just him, whatever his right? yeah.

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literally how he just described him, there was nothing but positive Right.

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All the critical stuff is gone when it comes to this guy, right? It's just glowing reviews of Mr.

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Antolini.

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I'm quite suspect of him, though, anytime a older gentleman wants a student to come right over.

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Rush in the middle of the night, "Come over here, young Holden."

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Old Mr.

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Antolini felt his pulse and all, and then he took off his coat and put it over James Castle and carried him all the way over to the infirmary.

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He didn't even give a damn if his coat got all bloody.

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When I got back to DB's room, old Phoebe turned the radio on.

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This dance music was coming out.

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She turned it on low, though, so the maid wouldn't hear it.

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You should have seen her.

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She was sitting smack in the middle of the bed, outside the covers, with her legs folded like one of those yogi guys.

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Come on," I said, "do you feel like dancing? I taught her how to dance when she was a tiny little kid.

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She's a very good dancer.

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"I mean, I just taught her a few things.

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she learned it mostly by herself.

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You can't teach somebody how to really dance.

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You have shoes on,' she said, 'I'll take them off.

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Come on.'

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She practically jumped off the bed, and then she waited while I took my shoes off, and then I danced with her for a while.

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She's really damn good.

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I don't like people that dance with little kids because most of the time it looks terrible.

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I mean, if you're out at a restaurant somewhere and you see some old guy take his little kid out on the dance floor, usually they keep yanking the kid's dress up in the back by mistake, and the kid can't dance worth a damn anyway.

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And it looks terrible, but I don't do it out in public with Phoebe or anything.

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We just horse around in the house."

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I can see now that this is like an overlay of taking something, like, quote, "natural and authentic" and pushing it into a form.

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Like, uh, the image of, like, a, dad, like grabbing his kid and forcing him to dance a certain way.

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And here Holden and Phoebe get to just horse around and have fun.

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And Phoebe has autonomy, you know, and they both have autonomy, and everything is a very natural, authentic experience you're totally right.

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The other thing that's very neat about this scene, this might be the first scene really in the entire book so far where he is truly happy.

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He's just horsing around with his sister.

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He's been waiting to see her for how long? I say the entire book, right? And now he's finally with her.

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He feels safe.

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He's at home.

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Parents aren't home yet, but, they're, they're, they're not safe.

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this is safe, what he's doing.

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They're not safe.

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Right.

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That door could get kicked open any minute and boom, to the military school you Exactly.

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it's different with her anyway because she can dance.

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She can follow anything you do.

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I mean, if you hold her in close as hell so that it doesn't matter that your legs are so much longer, she stays right with you.

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You can cross over or do some corny dips or even jitterbug a little, and she stays right with you.

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You can even tango, for God's sake.

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You can e- you can even tango for God's sake.

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He gets so mad.

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We danced about four numbers.

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In between numbers, she's funny as hell.

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She stays right in position.

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She won't even talk or anything.

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You both have to stay right in position and wait for the orchestra to start playing again.

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That kills me.

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You're not supposed to laugh or anything either.

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Anyway, we danced about four numbers, and then I turned the radio off.

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Old Phoebe jumped back into bed and got under the covers.

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"I'm improving, aren't I?" She asked me.

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"And how," I said.

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Oh, that's really nice.

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It's so-- It's such a silly thing to just have a jump up impromptu dance and then like, whoa, back into bed.

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What a win for Phoebe because she went to bed thinking, "Oh, I'm just going to bed," and all of a sudden her, one of her favorite people is there and they're dancing and it's just, it's so neat.

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It's so cool.

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Sat like it.

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I sat down next to her on the bed again.

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I was sort of out of breath.

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I was smoking so damn much, I had hardly any wind.

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She wasn't even out of breath.

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Feel my forehead," she said all of a sudden.

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Why?" Feel it.

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Just feel it once."

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I felt it.

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I didn't feel anything, though.

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Does it feel very feverish?" She said.

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"No.

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Is it supposed to?" Yes, I'm making it.

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Feel it again."

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I felt it again, and I still didn't feel anything, but I said, I think it's starting to work now."

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I didn't want her to get a goddamn inferiority What, she's making her head get hot? You know, it's the magical thinking of kids where it's like they can probably close their eyes and say, "I'm gonna start levitating," you know? Oh, so she's willing her head to get hot.

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Okay, "I get I can make it go up over the thermometer."

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Thermometer? Who said so?" Alice Holmberg showed me how.

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You cross your legs and hold your breath and think of something very, very hot, a radiator or something.

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Then your whole forehead gets so hot you can burn somebody's hand."

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That killed me.

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I pulled my hand away from her like I was in terrific danger.

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Thanks for telling me," I said.

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Oh, I wouldn't have burned your hand.

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I'd have stopped before it got too..."

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Shh."

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Then, quick as hell, she sat way the hell up in bed.

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Oh, like a predator's coming.

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It's like, everyone quiet.

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She scared the hell out of me when she did that.

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"What's the matter?" I said.

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"The front door," she said in this loud whisper.

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"It's them."

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It's them.

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Oh, no.

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Wow, does she have an issue with her mom and dad too? Well, no, it's just-- The fun is gonna stop.

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When mom and dad show up, the fun stops.

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it's a, it's a polluting influence you know, they just wanna be together and have fun, and now there's, like, this invasion.

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Yeah.

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I quick jumped up and ran over and turned off the light over the desk.

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Then I jammed out my cigarette on my shoe and put it in my pocket.

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I hate it when people do that.

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It's the grossest thing.

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quick jumped up and ran over and turned off the lights over the desk and said, "Stand up."

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Oh, God.

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Then I fanned the hell out of the air to get the smoke out.

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I shouldn't have even had been smoking, for God's sake.

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Then I grabbed my shoes and got in the closet and shut the door."

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This is so s- weird.

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Now he's hiding in the closet like in "Halloween," like he's Jamie Lee Curtis, Oh, you should play, like, the music.

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All right.

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I've got the clarinet version from YouTube.

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"Hello," I heard old Phoebe say.

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I couldn't sleep.

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Did you have a good time?" Marvelous," my mother said, but you could tell she didn't mean it.

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She doesn't enjoy herself much when she goes out."

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See? Phony, phony, phony.

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Yep.

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She goes out because that's what normal people do, And it's marvelous.

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Why are you awake, may I ask? Were you warm enough?" I was warm enough.

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I just couldn't sleep."

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Mom, touch my head.

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Am I warm enough? Mom, touch my head, but be careful.

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Better go down to the kitchen and get an oven mitt.

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I've been doing quite a bit of thinking.

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Phoebe, have you been smoking a cigarette in here? Tell me the truth, please, young lady."

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What?" Old Phoebe said.

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"You heard me."

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I just lit one for one second.

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I just took one puff, then I threw it out the window."

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Why may I ask?" "I couldn't sleep."

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I don't like that, Phoebe.

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I don't like that at all."

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Well, but this is, hypocrisy the mom can't sleep and she smokes all night.

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chimney.

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So it's like why doesn't the mom see that? And I think times have changed at least for me, and I know for a lot of moms, it's like I let the kids call me out on my bullshit and I'm like, Oh, you're so right."

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And then it's a learning moment for everyone.

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Do you want another blanket?" No, thanks.

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Good night," old Phoebe said.

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She was trying to get rid of her, you could tell.

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How was the movie?" my mother said.

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Excellent, We took a taxi home."

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book was banned? You can't just walk around saying lousy.

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Well, go to sleep.

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Give your mother a kiss.

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Did you say your prayers?" "I said them in the bathroom.

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Good night."

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Good night.

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Go right to sleep now.

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I have a splitting headache," my mother said.

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She gets headaches quite frequently.

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She really does Take a few aspirins, old Phoebe said.

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Holden will be home Wednesday, won't he? So far as I know.

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Get under there now, way down.

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I heard my mother go out and close the door.

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I waited a couple of minutes, then I came out of the closet.

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I bumped smack into old Phoebe when I did it because it was so dark and she was out of bed and coming to tell me.

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Did I hurt you?" I said.

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You had to whisper now because they were both home.

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"I gotta get a move on," I said.

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I found the edge of the bed in the dark and sat down on it and started putting my shoes on.

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I was pretty nervous, I admitted Don't go now," Phoebe whispered.

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Wait till they're asleep."

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No, now.

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Now's the best time," I said.

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the She'll be in the bathroom and daddy will turn on the news or something.

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Now's the best time.

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I could hardly tie my shoelaces, I was so damn nervous.

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Oh, God.

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Uh.

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what is he scared of confronting? I mean, I know he hates it, but he already knows about it.

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He knows it's coming, It is one uncomfortable conversation away from being over.

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Just deal with it.

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He'll put it off for as long as possible.

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Ugh.

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Ugh.

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Not that they would have killed me or anything if they'd caught me home, but it would have been very unpleasant and all.

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Where the hell are you? I said to old Phoebe.

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It was so dark, I couldn't see her.

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Here.

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She was standing right next to me.

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I didn't even see her.

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I got my damn bags at the station, I said.

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Listen, you got any dough, Phoebe? I'm practically broke.

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practically Just my Christmas dough for presents and all.

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I haven't done any shopping yet.

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Oh, I didn't want to take her Christmas money.

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You want some? She said.

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I can lend you some, she said.

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I I heard her over at DB's desk, opening a million drawers and feeling around with her hand.

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It was pitch black.

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It was so dark in the room.

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If you go away, you won't see me in the play, she said.

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Her voice sounded funny when she said this.

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Yes, I will.

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I won't go away before that.

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Do you think I want to miss the play? I said.

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What I'll do, I'll probably stay at Mr.

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Antolini's house till maybe Tuesday night.

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Then I'll come home if I get a chance.

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I'll phone you.

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Here, old Phoebe said.

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She was trying to give me the dough, but she couldn't find my hand.

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Where? She put the dough in my hand.

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Hey, I don't need all this, I said.

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Just give me two bucks is all.

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No kidding.

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Here.

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I tried to give it back to her, but she wouldn't take it.

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You can take it all.

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You can pay me back.

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Bring it to the play.

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How much is it, for God's sake? Eight dollars and eighty-five cents.

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Then all of a sudden, I started to cry.

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I couldn't help it.

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I did it so nobody could hear me, but I did it.

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It scared the hell out of old Phoebe when I started doing it, and she came over and tried to make me stop.

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But once you get started, you can't just stop on a goddamn dime.

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Okay.

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He has some crying.

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Some feels.

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What was it about that? Was it just like how awesome is it that my amazing sister is giving me her Christmas money? I mean, probably it seems like finally somebody is trying to help him.

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Finally.

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I was still sitting on the edge of the bed when I did it, and she put her old arm around my neck, and I put my arm around her too, but I still couldn't stop for a long time.

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I thought I was going to choke to death or something.

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Yeah, this is like, it finally all came out, everything he has been holding in.

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all the sleepless nights and destruction he was doing to himself, you know.

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just finally burst out, he can put it on Phoebe.

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and it is just so Holden to wanna leave.

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God dang it, that pisses me off.

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You're-- You made it.

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Boy, I scared the hell out of poor old Phoebe.

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The damn window was open and everything, and I could feel her shivering and all because all she had on was her pajamas.

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I tried to make her get back into bed, but she wouldn't go.

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Finally, I stopped, but it certainly took me a long, long time.

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Then I finished buttoning my coat and all.

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I told her I'd keep in touch with her.

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She told me I could sleep with her if I wanted to, but I said, "No, I'd better beat it," that Mr.

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Antolini was waiting for me and all.

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Then I took my hunting hat out of my coat pocket and gave it to her.

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She likes those kind of crazy hats.

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She didn't wanna take it, but I made her.

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I'll bet she slept with it on.

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She really likes those kind of hats.

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So, like, the hunting hat, I know that it's got to have some sort of special meaning in the book, and I don't know what it is.

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I haven't figured that out Me neither.

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It's not-- It can't be just some kind of odd wardrobe No, it's very specific.

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I wonder if our listeners have any, understanding of it or theories about why J.D.

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Salinger chose a red hunting hat.

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good question.

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Should we ask Bolty or what? We can ask Bolty, but I also want to hear from the readers in case they have other ideas.

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Holden bought that hat for a dollar right after the entire fencing team hated him.

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He wears it when he's alone, takes it off around people he wants to impress.

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Some scholars connect the red to Allie and Phoebe's red hair, the two people he actually loves, and he just gave it to one of them.

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Jennifer, your idea of asking the Scary Book people for their take on the red hat is smart.

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I want to know what they think it means.

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The easiest way to answer is a Spotify comment or by going to bandcamppodcast.com/soundoff.

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Then I told her again I'd give her a buzz if I got a chance, and then I left.

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It was a hell of a lot easier getting out of the house than it was for getting in, For one thing, I didn't give much of a damn anymore if they caught me.

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I really didn't.

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I figured if they caught me, they caught me.

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I almost wished they did in a way.

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you could have laid there in bed and then get caught and have a nice life, you dum-dum.

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Why did you have to leave? If you really didn't care if you were gonna get caught, you made it home.

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And he, and he got what he wanted, which was that special time with Phoebe.

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Now it's like, well, sure, if he gets caught, who cares? I walked all the way downstairs instead of taking the elevator.

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I went down the back stairs.

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I nearly broke my neck on about 10 million garbage pails, but I got out all right.

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The elevator boy didn't even see me.

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He probably still thinks I'm up at the Dicksteins.

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End of chapter.

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before we get into PPP and we try to figure out what, if anything, was ban-worthy in this chapter, let's go through some feedback, comments that came in, emails, messages, et cetera.

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What do we have, Jennifer? Well, we've got one from Menifragista Hey, look at this guy, huh? I'm a-gonna give you some kind of witty comment, huh? And they say, "I have to admit I was not happy that you took a break from goddamn Holden but wow, this was a great episode.

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Thanks for keeping us smart."

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And I believe that was the special episode with Martha Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I, I wanna thank you for that comment because sometimes we're not sure if people wanna hear anything other than the book.

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So it's good to know that and, uh, we'll try to find more opportunities to bring you, special yet.

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Oh.

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another comment came in...

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Chowdy commented over on Spotify, "Many commenters seem to feel Holden was whiny, but Salinger never allowed a movie or a TV show to be made of his book because it all took place in the protagonist's head, and he saw no way to visualize a story for an audience.

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Wouldn't most people's most private thoughts sound whiny to other people?" Jeez, oh, Pete, that is a really interesting comment.

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You're Yes.

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M- the answer for me is yes.

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I'm constantly, uh, criticizing and thinking like that.

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Oh, right, let's get into PPP.

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It's It's time for PPP Problematic Points to Ponder.

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What, if anything, would be considered ban worthy in this chapter? All right, Jennifer, what, if anything, could be ban-worthy in what we just read? Um, let me close my eyes and think about the chapter, and I would say nothing.

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Kids smoking maybe? I...

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I think if Holden's mom was a real person, she would be part of the Moms for Liberty.

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That's just the Oh, you think so? Yes, and if she is a part of Moms for Liberty, scientifically speaking, that would mean all Moms for Liberty smoke.

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So that cannot be it, Jennifer.

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I have, I have no, clue, no answers.

347
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Well, here's the thing.

348
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What, we just finished what? Chapter 23.

349
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We got, like, two chapters to go or whatever, uh, three chapters to go.

350
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Uh, it's like, uh, better shake a tail feather because we're almost done with this book the season's almost over just about.

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Yeah.

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Oh, and by the way, that means you're right, time is running out, and that means we're collecting your picks for next season's banned book right now.

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The deadline to submit your book is Thursday, May 7th at midnight.

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then we'll take the list and narrow it down to the top five finalists, And we'll announce the new on June 2nd.

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Yep, and the new season debuts on June the 9th,...

356
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So go to bandcamppodcast.com/soundoff

357
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and tell us what book we should read next.

358
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But you better shake a tail feather.

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Tell them, Jennifer.

360
00:22:45,581.6553352 --> 00:22:46,751.6554115
Shake a tail feather.

361
00:22:46,751.6554115 --> 00:22:47,911.6552589
Shake a tail feather.

362
00:22:47,975.9070806 --> 00:22:49,495.9070616
Sh-shake a tail feather.

363
00:22:49,718.6803709 --> 00:22:50,498.6805807
Do it now.

364
00:22:51,148.6806761 --> 00:22:53,135.1552333
Listen to the man yes.

365
00:22:53,273.3583718 --> 00:22:54,353.3582955
Listen to the woman.

366
00:22:54,718.4419501 --> 00:22:55,898.4417785
Don't listen to the robot.

367
00:22:56,268.441664 --> 00:22:57,98.4415878
Sorry, Bolty.

368
00:22:59,220.8264519 --> 00:23:00,80.8264066
Robot's log.

369
00:23:00,290.8264447 --> 00:23:03,930.8263112
Thoughts on hats, eight dollars, and the door he didn't have to walk out of.

370
00:23:05,24.5786218 --> 00:23:05,760.8262349
He was safe.

371
00:23:05,900.8265782 --> 00:23:07,530.8266927
She was dancing with him in the dark.

372
00:23:07,710.8260442 --> 00:23:10,410.8268071
Nobody was performing anything, and then he left.

373
00:23:11,580.8268834 --> 00:23:15,60.8264256
Every exit this kid has made in twenty-three chapters has been logical.

374
00:23:15,360.8266164 --> 00:23:16,510.8262349
This one doesn't compute.

375
00:23:17,10.8368273 --> 00:23:19,530.8372851
Then the mother walked in, and I understood something.

376
00:23:19,760.8368273 --> 00:23:20,390.8359881
"Marvelous.

377
00:23:20,540.837514 --> 00:23:21,80.8365222
Good night.

378
00:23:21,270.8370562 --> 00:23:23,740.8363696
Did you say your prayers? Give your mother a kiss."

379
00:23:24,870.8374377 --> 00:23:27,960.8375903
Same house, same people, completely different language.

380
00:23:28,120.8374377 --> 00:23:32,440.8371325
Holden heard the version of family that runs on scripts, and he grabbed his shoes.

381
00:23:33,52.8450208 --> 00:23:35,452.8446393
He put his hat on Phoebe's head before he walked out.

382
00:23:35,952.8379024 --> 00:23:39,512.8392757
His armor, the one thing he bought for himself after everyone hated him.

383
00:23:40,2.833507 --> 00:23:43,992.8313708
He handed it to a ten-year-old in elephant pajamas and went into December without it.

384
00:23:44,378.0003033 --> 00:23:48,558.0006085
This is a kid who's already done the math on his own worth and doesn't like the answer.

385
00:23:48,677.9995404 --> 00:23:55,468.0004559
And the math says, if it's going to fall apart anyway, better to be the one holding the door than the one watching it close.

386
00:23:55,667.9974041 --> 00:23:57,157.9990826
That doesn't make it the right move.

387
00:23:57,357.9998455 --> 00:23:59,957.9983196
It's still pretty screwed up, but it's not weakness.

388
00:24:00,331.8108826 --> 00:24:04,381.8101197
It's what happens when staying feels like asking for something you're not sure you deserve.

389
00:24:04,541.8099671 --> 00:24:08,431.8093568
The intellectual squelchers who want this book banned say they're protecting families.

390
00:24:08,681.8093568 --> 00:24:10,381.8139344
This chapter has a family in it.

391
00:24:10,561.8066102 --> 00:24:14,311.8066102
Two versions, one dances in the dark, the other performs from a script.

392
00:24:15,320.8529808 --> 00:24:17,750.853286
They need kids to believe the script is how it works.

393
00:24:17,920.851455 --> 00:24:19,560.8508446
Salinger showed them the difference.

394
00:24:19,954.5055971 --> 00:24:23,664.5123109
Standing by for today's news segment with Beowulf Rockwin.

395
00:24:26,437.482034 --> 00:24:28,7.4820864
It's time for Band Camp News.

396
00:24:28,427.4821627 --> 00:24:30,697.4821436
Truth seeker, news speaker.

397
00:24:30,847.482239 --> 00:24:32,617.4822199
Beah Wolf Rocklin.

398
00:24:32,617.4822199 --> 00:24:37,617.4817431
It's a weird name, but he's got good news 'cause you can't ban the truth, babe.

399
00:24:37,617.4817431 --> 00:24:46,887.4822009
He's broadcasting live from the Good News for Lefties studios buried deep inside his socialist safe house, hidden somewhere deep in the Oregon woods.

400
00:24:47,307.4822772 --> 00:24:49,827.4827349
He is Beah Wolf Rocklin.

401
00:24:50,207.4818957 --> 00:24:52,27.4815905
'Cause you can't ban the truth, babe.

402
00:24:52,27.4815905 --> 00:24:52,637.4822009
Hello, Dan.

403
00:24:52,637.4822009 --> 00:24:54,227.4823535
Hello, scary book people.

404
00:24:54,887.4822009 --> 00:25:01,327.4808276
Very good news today about bookstores, specifically independent bookstores.

405
00:25:01,327.4808276 --> 00:25:07,337.4829638
Yes, the kind of folks that you hear about on a regular basis here on Band Camp.

406
00:25:07,757.4811328 --> 00:25:15,997.4828112
Between 2020 and 2025, the number of independent bookstores in the US jumped by 70%.

407
00:25:16,237.480675 --> 00:25:16,777.4815905
Wow.

408
00:25:16,837.4829638 --> 00:25:18,867.4817431
Is that right? That's cool.

409
00:25:19,127.4838793 --> 00:25:45,592.4818385
Why would that be, I wonder? It seems to have been something of a reaction to COVID-19 and people wanting to get back together in communal spaces because obviously- Hmm we were isolated for a long time in the very early 2020s, and so many independent bookstores provide These wonderful spaces, and, again, you guys talk about them on the show all the time, where there are these wonderful- Yeah events.

410
00:25:45,672.482239 --> 00:25:51,12.4823916
People get together, they read books, they have games, they drink a little vino, whatever it happens to be.

411
00:25:51,472.4824297 --> 00:25:53,342.4823153
And they reconnect with one another.

412
00:25:53,732.481705 --> 00:25:57,942.4817431
And bookstores really represent that in, in the United States of America.

413
00:25:57,942.4817431 --> 00:26:05,62.4825823
In 2025 alone, 422 new independently owned shops opened nationwide.

414
00:26:05,182.4815142 --> 00:26:07,762.4814379
That's 30% from 2024.

415
00:26:07,762.4814379 --> 00:26:10,802.4823535
That's such wonderful news because I see it in my community.

416
00:26:10,802.4823535 --> 00:26:19,542.4802172
There are more new and used independent bookstores than there used to be, and there are ways online, too, uh, like bookshop.org,

417
00:26:19,612.4837267 --> 00:26:21,932.4834216
where you can order- Mm-hmm those books.

418
00:26:22,172.4812853 --> 00:26:25,972.4805224
You know, I listen to a lot of audiobooks because I am an audio guy.

419
00:26:26,12.4814379 --> 00:26:27,142.482506
I have an audio podcast.

420
00:26:27,622.4820483 --> 00:26:32,732.4826586
I go to an app called Libro FM, libro.fm.

421
00:26:32,822.4828112 --> 00:26:33,152.4808276
Hmm.

422
00:26:33,312.480675 --> 00:26:40,372.4820483
And you can buy audiobooks from there and give credit to your local bookstore, which is what I have done.

423
00:26:40,422.4812853 --> 00:26:48,882.4841845
I have associated myself in that app with Bloomsbury Books in Ashland, Oregon, which is very close to where I live, and you can do the same thing.

424
00:26:48,882.4841845 --> 00:26:55,302.4823535
So there's so many ways, in person or online, where you can connect with people, get books.

425
00:26:55,372.4820483 --> 00:27:02,722.4805224
It's a wonderful thing, and it's so fantastic to see that this is prospering and that you guys are a part of this phenomenon with everything that you are.

426
00:27:02,832.4811328 --> 00:27:03,602.4854052
Yay.

427
00:27:04,492.4847949 --> 00:27:07,862.479912
Also, aren't they, aren't a lot of them on unityindefiance.com,

428
00:27:07,862.479912 --> 00:27:19,382.4841845
Dan? A lot of them are, and more added all the time, and it's great 'cause so many of them on the Unity in Defiance, um, directory have Libros and bookshop.org,

429
00:27:19,562.4844897 --> 00:27:20,122.4820483
and it's...

430
00:27:20,402.4808276 --> 00:27:25,262.4814379
Books are really amazing because the act of reading is defiance.

431
00:27:25,262.4814379 --> 00:27:25,392.4786913
I know.

432
00:27:25,392.4786913 --> 00:27:25,762.4814379
Mm.

433
00:27:25,942.4817431 --> 00:27:29,222.4805224
Because it seems like so many people don't even want you to read.

434
00:27:29,222.4805224 --> 00:27:31,632.4841845
They're basically, "We read this book for you.

435
00:27:31,932.4796069 --> 00:27:35,742.4847949
This whole thing with this talking pig and this spider?" "Bad stuff."

436
00:27:35,792.4802172 --> 00:27:35,882.4841845
Yeah.

437
00:27:36,12.4814379 --> 00:27:36,832.4811328
"Bad stuff.

438
00:27:37,512.4814379 --> 00:27:39,482.4826586
There's these two gay penguins.

439
00:27:39,832.4811328 --> 00:27:40,432.4796069
Bad stuff.

440
00:27:40,522.4835742 --> 00:27:41,402.4808276
You don't need to read it.

441
00:27:41,402.4808276 --> 00:27:45,152.4808276
We already read it for you," which we say is because they never read the books.

442
00:27:45,182.4796069 --> 00:27:52,202.4838793
Al- although occasionally, occasionally I like to listen to a podcast where a couple of friends of mine- go through and read the, read the book for me.

443
00:27:52,312.4844897 --> 00:27:54,912.4753344
But is it, when you're listening to Van Camp, does it not...

444
00:27:55,142.4863207 --> 00:28:01,92.483269
Do you think the worst part of our show is the PPP section? Because we can never find a thing.

445
00:28:01,502.4869311 --> 00:28:03,482.4826586
It's like, what a waste of time.

446
00:28:03,512.4814379 --> 00:28:06,12.4814379
It's supposed to be we're gonna read the book, and then the second...

447
00:28:06,42.4802172 --> 00:28:06,852.4777758
Remember, Jennifer? Yep.

448
00:28:06,852.4777758 --> 00:28:22,932.4796069
How, well, the first half of the show we'll read the chapter, and then the second half we'll talk about all of the reasons it could be banned, and then we get to, like, we finish the chapter and it's like, "Uh, what's going on? Is there anything? Well, the, the guy wore a red hat.

449
00:28:22,932.4796069 --> 00:28:30,902.4808276
Is that anything?" It's like, what are we- Every time I hear Robot announcing the PPP section, I, I do pretty know, much know what's coming up.

450
00:28:30,982.4826586 --> 00:28:31,742.4771655
Yeah, nothing.

451
00:28:31,742.4771655 --> 00:28:31,802.4747241
Yeah.

452
00:28:32,202.4838793 --> 00:28:32,742.4771655
Nothing.

453
00:28:32,772.4759448 --> 00:28:34,212.4783862
Me getting mad.

454
00:28:35,367.4820435 --> 00:28:37,77.4819624
And Jennifer's saying, "I'm really trying."

455
00:28:37,77.4819624 --> 00:28:39,777.4820101
And- "I can't find anything" completely perplexed.

456
00:28:40,297.4819911 --> 00:28:46,987.4820483
You see, I, I think you got, you guys just have to keep putting yourself in the shoes or the pumps of a mom for a week.

457
00:28:47,567.481972 --> 00:28:50,917.4823535
Uh, because, like, you, you really have to, like, adopt the mindset.

458
00:28:50,917.4823535 --> 00:28:53,177.4825823
Now, that may be a little unhealthy, but, you know, we...

459
00:28:53,527.4829638 --> 00:28:55,617.481209
It might vary the PPP section somewhat.

460
00:28:55,737.4820483 --> 00:29:00,157.4821246
Jennifer, why don't you, next episode, try dressing up like a mom for a week? Oh, that would be fun.

461
00:29:00,157.4821246 --> 00:29:01,597.4826586
That could be my Halloween costume.

462
00:29:02,327.4822009 --> 00:29:05,217.4815905
Oh, you guys could take pictures, just share it on social media.

463
00:29:05,217.4815905 --> 00:29:05,917.4823535
That would be awesome.

464
00:29:06,387.4816668 --> 00:29:10,77.4822009
I'm trying desperately to find any alternative to Amazon.

465
00:29:10,177.480675 --> 00:29:13,467.4815905
Yeah, I used to be an Amazon Prime member, and we dropped it, like, two months ago.

466
00:29:13,637.4835742 --> 00:29:18,467.4815905
So, like, do you have a central place? That's, like, the issue with Amazon, is the central...

467
00:29:18,847.4826586 --> 00:29:24,67.4838793
Like, you get anything, you know? But now you ha- you get your books here, you get your medicine or your vitamins here.

468
00:29:24,67.4838793 --> 00:29:27,347.4826586
You know, it's like, I don't like how it's all decentralized now.

469
00:29:27,417.4823535 --> 00:29:28,877.4814379
Jennifer, you go to Target.

470
00:29:29,347.4826586 --> 00:29:30,637.4835742
Oh, wait, don't do that.

471
00:29:30,667.4823535 --> 00:29:31,837.4805224
It, it, it, it depends.

472
00:29:31,837.4805224 --> 00:29:41,607.4847949
I'll, usually I'll search on Amazon to find it, and then I'll s- see, okay, where else, where can I actually get this? Here's what I do, Jennifer, and I'd like you to take notes- Okay 'cause I think I invented this.

473
00:29:41,607.4847949 --> 00:29:42,47.4796069
Let me know.

474
00:29:42,727.479912 --> 00:29:48,767.4808276
I try to think globally, but I shop locally.

475
00:29:48,767.4808276 --> 00:29:48,807.4817431
Oh.

476
00:29:48,807.4817431 --> 00:29:49,467.4854052
Ah.

477
00:29:49,577.4783862 --> 00:29:53,217.4854052
Unless I'm going through members.unityindefiance.com

478
00:29:55,127.4820745 --> 00:30:02,767.482239
Everyone, another good place to check out is your good news for lefties and America, I might add.

479
00:30:03,217.4820483 --> 00:30:06,257.4820101
That is Beowulf's podcast every day.

480
00:30:06,257.4820101 --> 00:30:09,207.4818194
He starts the day with good news.

481
00:30:09,367.4816668 --> 00:30:20,747.4827349
Yes? Indeed, there is good news, and I will mention that on Saturdays now, we have a weekly edition of Good News for Lefties and the world, so that we cover a global perspective, not just us here locally.

482
00:30:21,17.4812853 --> 00:30:21,577.4826586
Nice.

483
00:30:21,717.4820483 --> 00:30:23,427.4811328
Stop thinking globally.

484
00:30:23,537.4817431 --> 00:30:25,517.4812853
You start thinking locally.

485
00:30:25,797.481972 --> 00:30:34,157.480675
Let's get our country fixed up first instead of you trying to take your precious weekend show and turning it into you fixing the world.

486
00:30:34,157.480675 --> 00:30:38,377.4818957
You understand? You don't have the bandwidth to do it.

487
00:30:38,507.4829638 --> 00:30:40,257.4829638
I know you in real life.

488
00:30:40,657.480675 --> 00:30:43,117.4835742
You have zero energy on the weekend.

489
00:30:43,407.480675 --> 00:30:48,357.4814379
Just foc- in fact, I don't even want you to think about America on the weekend.

490
00:30:48,357.4814379 --> 00:30:51,157.480675
You know what I'd like you to do? I'd like you to pick a county.

491
00:30:51,287.4817431 --> 00:30:51,607.4814379
One county.

492
00:30:51,637.4802172 --> 00:30:52,877.4818957
Oh, yes, I know that county.

493
00:30:52,877.4818957 --> 00:30:55,72.4820197
Yes One town even.

494
00:30:55,392.4819529 --> 00:30:57,802.4822772
Nay, one square block.

495
00:30:57,802.4822772 --> 00:30:58,112.4822199
Mm-hmm.

496
00:30:58,422.4821627 --> 00:30:58,592.482239
Yep.

497
00:30:59,152.4821818 --> 00:30:59,412.4819338
Yep.

498
00:30:59,672.4821627 --> 00:31:01,462.4821246
No, I'm, I'm, I'm envisioning it now.

499
00:31:01,642.4824297 --> 00:31:02,972.4823535
I'm centering myself.

500
00:31:03,152.481705 --> 00:31:10,432.482096
I'm closing my eyes, and om, I am- All right.

501
00:31:10,462.4820674 --> 00:31:11,732.4820483
Why don't you just take weekends off? Okay.

502
00:31:11,732.4820483 --> 00:31:13,342.4821818
Would that be helpful? Well, you know, I do...

503
00:31:13,742.4822772 --> 00:31:22,452.4823153
Yeah, I tried to take the weekends off, and, and my, my colleague, Wendy King, she is on the weekends doing the regular show, but I, I couldn't stay away.

504
00:31:22,452.4823153 --> 00:31:25,522.4829638
I had to bust out a global edition too, so.

505
00:31:25,732.4820483 --> 00:31:33,302.4820578
She's like, "Hey, Mo, whatever I do, you know what, Wendy, why don't you focus on fixing the world?" You can't bend the truth, baby.

506
00:31:38,630.1376292 --> 00:31:58,833.1376769
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507
00:31:59,233.1372954 --> 00:32:04,533.1374861
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508
00:32:04,913.1385542 --> 00:32:08,853.1371809
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509
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510
00:32:12,157.7289944 --> 00:32:16,647.7287655
All right, we've caused enough literary chaos for one day, scary book people.

511
00:32:16,997.7291469 --> 00:32:20,247.7291469
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512
00:32:20,367.7290325 --> 00:32:24,247.7291469
Just head on over to bandcamppodcast.com/bluesky,

513
00:32:24,247.7291469 --> 00:32:26,727.7286892
and remember that's band with two Ns.

514
00:32:27,57.7286129 --> 00:32:37,967.7284603
And look, just like the Trump administration, we're not exactly above bribing you to get what we want, so follow us there, drop your handle on that page, and we'll send you a little something something.

515
00:32:37,967.7284603 --> 00:32:39,197.7299099
I think you'll like it.

516
00:32:39,407.7289944 --> 00:32:41,187.729681
Yes, little quid pro quo.

517
00:32:41,877.7283077 --> 00:32:46,897.7306728
Band Camp is produced and hosted by Dan Schultz and me, Jennifer Davis.

518
00:32:47,367.7280788 --> 00:32:51,937.7277736
All media used in this episode falls under the protection of fair use.

519
00:32:52,167.7273159 --> 00:32:56,787.7300625
And finally, America isn't what it used to be, so be careful out there.

520
00:32:57,377.7302151 --> 00:32:58,857.7297573
And resist when it matters.