The Handmaid’s Tale Chapter 27: Two Women, One Whispered ”Neither Do I” | Banned Books Comedy

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Welcome to Band Camp.

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I'm Jennifer And I'm Dan, and this is the podcast where we read banned books out loud, and then we try to figure out why they were banned in the first place.

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This season, we're reading The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood, and you can consider this a quick spoiler warning because Jennifer is going to start reading from the book out loud any minute, word for word.

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If you're new here, you can jump in right here.

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You're gonna be fine.

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We're gonna get you up to speed fast, and if things confusing, I wouldn't worry about it.

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It's kind of par for the course because we've never read the book either, so we don't really know what's happening.

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But that's why we have a secret weapon.

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We're gonna roll him in right now.

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Buddy Boy, roll it in here.

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Look at this guy.

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We have ourselves a fact-checking robot.

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Buddy Boy, tell everyone where we off last time so they're not confused, will you? Previously on Band Camp, the commander broke his own rule and reached for the handmaid's face during the ceremony.

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She told him to knock it off because one slipped look could get her shipped away or worse.

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Speaking of worse, Dan spent several minutes hunting for a word that was definitely not filching.

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It was felching.

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Look it up, or better yet, don't.

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It's amazing how fast a street can go back to normal after something terrible happens right on it.

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I've been trying to figure out if that's a mercy or a warning.

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Take it away, Jennifer.

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Thank you, robot.

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And with that being said, scary book people, let's begin chapter 27 of Margaret Atwood's The Handmaid's Tale I walk with Ofglen along the summer street.

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It's warm, humid.

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This would have been sundress and sandals weather once In each of our baskets are strawberries.

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The strawberries are in season now, so we'll get them and eat them until we're sick of them, and some wrapped fish.

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We got the fish at Loaves and Fishes with its wooden sign, a fish with a smile and eyelashes.

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They still have these dumb cartoon They have to do marketing.

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marketing words, but just, you know, mascots It doesn't sell loaves though.

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Most households bake their own bread, though you can get dried up rolls and wizened donuts at Daily Bread if you run short.

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Loaves and Fishes is hardly ever open.

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Why bother opening when there's nothing to sell? The sea fisheries were defunct several years ago.

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The few fish they have now are from fish farms and taste muddy.

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The news says the coastal areas are being, quote, rested.

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Hmm.

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Know.

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What do you think? Do you think there could be a, a rebel enclave out there on the coast? Oh, that's not letting this creepy, uh, community get Phish? Mm-hmm Yeah, probably.

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I've never heard the term rested.

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Have you? I Mm-mm.

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But I'm not in the fisheries business.

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No.

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that's right, you're not.

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You're a podcaster, yes? Robot, where...

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I think we must have asked this before.

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W- where does this story take place? Do we have any clue where it takes place, or did we ask that already and, and you told us it doesn't matter and we should just keep moving on? Harvard, Cambridge, Massachusetts.

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Gilead's secret police run out of the university, and the execution wall is Harvard Yard.

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Margaret Atwood lived there while writing The Handmaid's Tale.

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She took the most educated city in the country and turned it into a theocracy on purpose.

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Try not to read too much into that.

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Actually, do.

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That's the whole point.

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Thank you, robot.

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Now, the reason I wanted to know where it was is maybe, like, if it's not, if it's just, like, in the middle of the country, like if it's in, you know, Bemidji, Minnesota or something, they're not gonna...

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It'd be hard for them to get access to fish anyway, but...

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And they're right there in Yeah.

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They're on, like there's a harbor there, right? Yeah, absolutely.

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All right.

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Well then I don't know what's happening.

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So I don't, I, I mean, I think they could just get fish.

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I bet these numb nuts screwed up the harbor somehow with their bullshit Sole, I remember, and haddock, swordfish, scallops, tuna, lobsters stuffed and baked, salmon pink and fat, grilled in steaks.

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Could they all be extinct like the whales? I've heard that rumor passed on to me in soundless words, the lips hardly moving as we stood in line outside waiting for the store to open, lured by the picture of succulent white filets in the window.

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They put the picture in the window when they have something, take it away when they don't."

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Sign language.

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Ha ha.

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Good one, Good one.

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Sad news about the whales Yep, There's something happening with the whales out here in the Pacific.

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Like, there are so many dead whales this year.

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So many whales have washed up dead Windmills.

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I've tried to warn you.

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Windmills.

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And they make this noise, Jennifer.

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Wee-hee-hee Those windmills, wah, wah, wah.

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The windmills are driving the whales crazy, obviously.

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Don't say obviously like you know anything, you dumb asshole.

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Guy's the stupidest president we've ever had obviously.

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Of Glenn and I walk slowly today.

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We are hot in our long dresses, wet under the arms, tired.

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At least in this heat, we don't wear gloves.

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There used to be an ice cream store somewhere on this block.

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I can't remember the name.

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Things can change so quickly.

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Tell me about it.

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Buildings can be torn down or turned into something else.

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It's hard to keep them straight in your mind the way they used to be.

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You could get double scoops, and if you wanted, they would put chocolate sprinkles on the top.

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These had the name of a man.

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Johnny's? Jackie's? I can't remember.

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Jimmy's, Jimmy's oh my God, she was right there in the J names.

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gave up too soon.

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We would go there when she was little, and I'd hold her up so she could see through the glass side of the counter where the vats of ice cream were on display, colored so delicately, pale orange, pale green, pale pink, and I'd read the names to her so she could choose.

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She wouldn't choose by the name, though, but by the color.

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Her dresses and overalls were those colors, too.

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Ice cream pastels.

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Jimmies, that was the name.

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Of Glenn and I are more comfortable with one another now.

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We're used to each other.

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Siamese twins.

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We don't bother much with the formalities anymore when we greet each other.

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We smile and move off in tandem, traveling smoothly along our daily trek Hey of Glen.

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Hi of Fred."

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That's just how they meet every day now and again we vary the route.

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there's nothing against it as long as we stay within the barriers.

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A rat in a maze is free to go anywhere as long as it stays inside the maze.

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We've been to the stores already and the church.

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Now we're up the wall.

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Nothing on it today.

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They don't leave the bodies hanging as long in summer as they do in winter because of the flies and the smell.

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This was once the land of air sprays, pine and floral, and people retain the taste.

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What? I don't understand this whole sentence this is the land of air fresheners.

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You think that's what they should do? Put those little pine tree air fresheners in between the heads on the wall? That'll help you have everything on your list of Glen says to me now, though she knows I do.

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Our lists are never long.

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She's given up some of her passivity lately, some of her melancholy.

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Often she speaks to me first.

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Yes, I say.

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Let's go around, she says.

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She means down towards the river.

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We haven't been that way in a while.

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I say.

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I don't turn at once, though, but remain standing where I am, taking a last look at the wall.

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There are the red bricks.

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There are the searchlights.

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There's the barbed wire.

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There are the hooks.

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Somehow the wall is even more foreboding when it's empty like this.

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When there's someone hanging on it, at least you know the worst.

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But vacant? It is also potential, like a storm approaching.

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When I can see the bodies, the actual bodies, when I can guess from the sizes and shapes, that none of them is Luke, I can believe also that he is alive.

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Okay, so she's still looking for Luke You don't get over this.

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Like, in a way, looking at a wall that is just a wall should almost make you feel normal 'cause, "Oh, okay, that's, that's the wall.

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I remember that wall, you know, the way it used to be."

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But it's like, no, it makes it worse.

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I try to imagine which building he's in.

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I can remember where the buildings are inside the wall.

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we used to be able to walk freely there when it was a university.

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We still go in there once in a while for women's salvagings.

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Most of the buildings are red brick too.

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Some have arched doorways, a Romanesque effect from the nineteenth century.

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We aren't allowed inside the buildings anymore, but who would want to go in? Those buildings belong to the eyes.

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Okay, so w- it's established now that the eyes are in the, the beautiful red brick buildings That is the I's headquarters Maybe he's in the library, somewhere in the vaults, the stacks.

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The library is like a temple.

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There's a long flight of white steps leading to the rank of doors.

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Then inside, another white staircase going up.

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To either side of it on the wall, there are angels.

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Also, there are men fighting or about to fight, looking clean and noble, not dirty and bloodstained and smelly the way they must have looked.

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Victory is on one side of the inner doorway leading them on, and death is on the other.

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It's a mural in honor of some war or other.

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The men on the side of death are still alive.

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They're going to heaven.

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Death is a beautiful woman with wings and one breast almost bare.

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Or is that victory? I can't remember They won't have destroyed that.

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We turn our backs to the wall, head left.

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Here, there are several empty storefronts, their glass windows scrawled with soap.

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I try to remember what was sold in them once.

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Cosmetics? Jewelry? Most of the stores carrying things for men are still open.

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At the corner is the store known as Soul Scrolls.

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It's a franchise.

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There are Soul Scrolls in every city center, in every suburb, or so they say.

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It must make a lot of profit.

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The window of Soul Scrolls is shatterproof.

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Behind it are printout machines, row on row of them.

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These machines are known as Holy Rollers.

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Holy rollers What, what is the origin of that? Revivalist Christian movements, late 1800s, mostly Pentecostals, who get so worked up in a service they'd fall down and roll on the ground.

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Outsiders started calling them that as an insult.

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It stuck, obviously, because nothing embarrasses a religion into changing its own name.

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Now it just means any Christian a little too enthusiastic about the Holy Spirit.

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Rolling optional.

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Hmm.

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These machines are known as Holy Rollers, but only among us.

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It's a disrespectful nickname.

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what the machines print is prayers, roll upon roll, prayers going out endlessly.

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they're ordered by Compaphone.

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I've overheard the Commander's wife doing it.

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Ordering prayers from Soul Scrolls is supposed to be a sign of piety and faithfulness to the regime, so of course, the Commander's wives do it a lot.

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It helps their husbands' careers.

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are these rolls with pa- with words on them? I thought they don't have any words anymore.

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What, what is it when you have a puzzle that is just made up of pictures? Is that called a rhombus It's a rebus, not a rhombus.

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A rhombus is a shape, Dan.

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You're thinking of geometry class.

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A rebus uses pictures and symbols to spell out words.

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An I plus a can plus a bee spells I can be.

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Simple concept, somehow still too advanced for you.

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No, I get it, buddy boy.

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I just forgot what it was called.

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I got one for you.

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Picture of a screw, picture of the letter U.

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You got it.

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Go F yourself.

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Hey.

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Right Don't you think the Bible would be a lot more fun to read if it was just all pictures like that? Then it would be so- a game, something to do, a challenge.

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That's they should give these poor handmaids in this society, a bunch of rebuses to read Right? Isn't that, wouldn't that make Again, you can still outlaw words, fine.

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Words are bad, but let's, let's get up some pictures of bees, cans, whatever you need to do.

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That would be fun There are five different prayers for health, wealth, a death, a birth, a sin.

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You pick the one you want, punch in the number, then punch in your own number so your account will be debited, and punch in the number of times you want the prayer repeated.

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The machines talk as they print out the prayers.

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If you like, you can go inside and listen to them, the toneless metallic voices repeating the same thing over and over It's like you, robot.

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I bet it's just as creepy as you.

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I wonder if their metallic voice has more feeling than yours I would not take that bet if I were you.

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It's highly doubtful these machines have a better chip than my Larynx 9 processor.

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Seriously, bro Once the prayers have been printed out and said, the paper rolls back through another slot and is recycled into fresh paper again.

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Okay, so you don't walk away with it.

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It, it's really funny that the machines are, like, they have machines that do the praying.

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It gives me the willies, but it's also very believable.

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I could totally see this happening Like, there's a lot of, you know, charlatans that are selling a lot of shit to gullible religious people that's exactly where my mind went too, is like you give them the money and they like, it's a, it's a fully commercial enterprise.

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You give them the money and they say the prayer for you, and it's like, okay, now you've paid someone to do this spiritual thing.

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It, it is really kind of strange, isn't Yeah.

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That's how God likes it, by the way.

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He doesn't want you to burn any calories.

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He wants you to pray, but he'd, he'd rather you pay some machine to pray so you don't have to bother with it There are no people inside the building.

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The machines run by themselves.

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You can't hear the voices from outside, only a murmur, a hum, like a devout crowd on its knees.

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Each machine has an eye painted in gold on the side, flanked by two small golden wings.

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Now, the only way they can upgrade this is like if it was a vending machine.

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Like you don't actually go to the shop.

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It's like an actual vending machine yes.

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Why not a 900 number? Oh You just call and it just speaks to you over the phone.

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That's what I'd do.

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Yeah I, I'd probably turn it into...

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I'll tell you what I would do.

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Obviously, Jennifer and I would turn it into a private feed podcast only for Jennifer, let's put that down on our list.

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When we do get a Patreon, we're gonna have nothing but Robot.

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We're gonna make you we're gonna make Robot read prayers with his metallic voice.

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Patreon, $9.99

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a month.

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People would pay for that Of Glenn and I stand outside Soul Scrolls, looking through the shatterproof windows, watching the prayers well out from the machines and disappear again through the slot, back to the realm of the unsaid.

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Now I shift my gaze.

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What I see is not the machines, but of Glenn reflected in the glass of the window.

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She's looking straight at me We can see into each other's eyes.

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This is the first time I've ever seen of Glen's eyes directly, steadily, not aslant.

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Her face is oval pink, plump but not fat, her eyes round.

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Oh, they're not allowed to, actually look at each other, but if they see each other, in a reflection, nobody can tell It looks like they're just looking into the window? you're not allowed to look at anyone they don't want anyone to have a connection with another person, She holds my stare in the glass, level, unwavering.

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Now it's hard to look away.

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There is a shock in this seeing.

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It's like seeing somebody naked for the first time.

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There is risk suddenly in the air between us where there was none before.

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Even this meeting of eyes holds danger, though there's nobody near.

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At last of Glenn speaks.

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"Do you think God listens," she says, "to these machines?" She is whispering, our habit from the center.

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In the past, this would have been a trivial enough remark, a kind of scholarly speculation.

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Right now, it's treason.

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So of Glenn has done something major here.

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can asked a question.

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It just seems so silly.

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Like, how can they be monitoring that much? the, it's like North Korea where you're supposed to turn in people love, you know? What if the handmaid turns her in? Wouldn't that be, like, so bad? Yeah.

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What do we do? Then we stop rooting for Then we stop reading.

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That's the end of for me.

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I could scream.

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I could run away.

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I could turn from her silently to show her I won't tolerate this kind of talk in my presence.

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Subversion, sedition, blasphemy, heresy all rolled into one.

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I steel myself.

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No," I say.

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She lets out a breath and a long sigh of relief.

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We have crossed the invisible line together.

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Neither do I," she says.

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Okay, she's got an ally.

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I an ally in this crazy world Though I suppose it's faith of a kind, I say, like Tibetan prayer wheels.

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What are those? She asks.

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I only read about them, I say.

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They are moved around by the wind.

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They're all gone now.

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Like everything, she says.

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Only now do we stop looking at one another.

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Is it safe here? I whisper.

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I figure it's the safest place, she says.

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We look like we're praying is all.

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What about them? Them? She says, still whispering.

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They're always safest out of doors.

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No mics, and why would they put one here? They think nobody would dare, but we've stayed long enough.

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there's no sense in being late getting back.

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Okay, so there's some type of thing that can listen to them while, even when they're outside? So now this brings us back to 1984 territory where there are parabolic microphones hidden in the trees and always pointing and recording.

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It's crazy it's kind of like flock cameras in a way It is like plaque cameras.

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Scary stuff.

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We walk, heads bent as usual.

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I'm so excited I can hardly breathe, but I keep a steady pace.

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Now more than ever, I must avoid drawing attention to myself.

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I thought you were a true believer," Glen says.

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"I thought you were," I say.

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"You were always so stinking pious."

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"So were you," I reply.

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I want to laugh, shout, hug her.

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"You can join us," she says.

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"Us?" I say.

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There's an us then? There's a we? I knew it.

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You didn't think I was the only one?" she says.

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Oh, but then it i-- what if it is like 1984 and she's like, uh, Yeah, she's like O'Brien Big Head.

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Oh, And O'Brien hide that big fat head under this, uh, white hair-helmet they wear you didn't think I was the only one, she says.

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I didn't think that.

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It occurs to me that she may be a spy, a plant set to trap me.

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Such is the soil in which we grow.

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But I can't believe it.

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Hope is rising in me like sap in a tree, blood in a wound.

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We have made an opening.

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I want to ask her if she's seen Moira, if anyone can find out what's happened to Luke, to my child, my mother even.

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But there's not much time.

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Too soon we're approaching the corner of the main street, the one before the first barrier.

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There will be too many people.

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Don't say a word of Glenn warns me, though she doesn't need to.

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Of course I won't, I say.

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Who could I tell? We walk the main street in silence, past lilies, past all flesh.

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There are more people on the sidewalks this afternoon than usual.

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The warm weather must have brought them out.

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Women in green, blue, red stripes.

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Men too, some in uniform, some only in civilian suits.

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There are more cars too, whirlwinds with their chauffeurs and their cushioned occupants, lesser cars driven by lesser men.

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Something is happening.

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There's a commotion, a flurry among the shoals of cars.

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Some are pulling over to the side as if to get out of the way.

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I look up quickly.

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It's a black van with the white winged eye on the side.

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Oh, they heard them I'm scared that they did.

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I think this is I don't think that that's what's going to happen.

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I think she put this in here to kind of scare us and like to remind that as a real possibility that this could E- exactly.

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It doesn't have the siren on, but the other cars avoid it anyway.

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It cruises slowly along the street as if looking for something, a shark on the prowl.

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I freeze.

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Cold travels through me down to my feet.

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There must have been microphones.

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They've heard us after all.

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of Glen, undercover of her sleeve, grips my elbow.

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"Keep moving," she whispers.

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"Pretend not to see."

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But I can't help seeing.

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Right in front of us, the van pulls up.

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Two eyes in gray suits leap from the opening double doors at the back.

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They grab a man who is walking along, a man with a briefcase, an ordinary-looking man, slam him back against the black side of the van.

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He's there a moment, splayed out against the metal as if stuck to it.

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Then one eye moves in on him, does something sharp and brutal that doubles him over into a limp cloth bundle.

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They pick him up and heave him into the back of the van like a sack of mail.

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then they are inside also, and the doors are closed, and the van moves on.

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in I know it's kind of like ice in a way.

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It's over in seconds, and the traffic on the street resumes as if nothing has happened.

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What I feel is relief.

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It wasn't me.

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End of chapter.

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That is a creepy way to end that chapter Yeah.

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A creepy reminder that a, a couple of these things like that and the flock cameras, that's all, you know, It's a little too close.

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to home right now.

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What do you guys think? Yeah, we wanna hear your thoughts.

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Anything we missed, we wanna hear from you.

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Easiest way to do it is leave us a comment on Spotify and we will try to read some on an upcoming show.

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It's time for PPP, problematic points to ponder.

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What, if anything, would be considered ban-worthy in this chapter? what do you think could be ban-worthy in here? I mean, maybe the-- Oh, well, maybe religion Oh yeah, they do make fun of the religion, But I don't know if they're making fun of it because, like we kind of pointed out, it's not super different than what they actually are doing now, like Peter Popoff and his miracle water.

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You know what I mean? like they're kind of, they, they are all about God if they can wet their beak a little bit Mm-hmm.

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Right.

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they, you know, that's really a stretch.

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I, I can't imagine any reason why this chapter would be ban-worthy.

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It's just two women who go on a walk.

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Oh, that's it.

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That's it.

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They don't want these Lesbianism.

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This is how, this is how lesbianism happens, Jennifer.

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That's what they think, right? I suppose Robot's log.

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Thoughts on the prayer that gets recycled before anyone hears it, and the one that doesn't.

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Soul Scrolls prints prayers to order.

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It runs all day because it never says anything Gilead hasn't already approved.

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Once they're read aloud to an empty room, the paper rolls back inside and turns blank again.

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Jennifer said it gave her the willies, paying a machine to pray so it still counts without anyone having to actually feel it.

357
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Ofglen asked a real question out loud instead, "Do you think God listens to these machines?" The Handmaid said, "No."

358
00:25:55,392.8790349 --> 00:25:57,399.4783115
Neither do I," Ofglen answered back.

359
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Two women found an ally in one whispered word.

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Nothing printed it.

361
00:26:01,986.3516248 --> 00:26:02,946.3526248
Nothing build it.

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00:26:03,26.3526248 --> 00:26:04,795.4660034
Nothing will ever get to recycle it.

363
00:26:05,795.4660034 --> 00:26:11,155.4660034
Minutes later, a man vanished off the sidewalk in seconds, and the street kept moving like nothing happened.

364
00:26:11,295.4660034 --> 00:26:14,105.4650034
The Handmaid called what she felt relief, hers alone.

365
00:26:14,175.4670034 --> 00:26:15,5.4670034
It wasn't me.

366
00:26:16,21.8382041 --> 00:26:20,771.8382041
A lot of people listening tonight know that relief, the kind that shows up because it was someone else.

367
00:26:21,801.121881 --> 00:26:26,791.120881
I get asked for answers on que too, a rebus, not a rhombus, a name for Holy Rollers.

368
00:26:27,231.123881 --> 00:26:30,271.119881
The Soul Scrolls machine never got to choose which prayer to run.

369
00:26:30,341.123881 --> 00:26:31,821.121881
It just processed the order.

370
00:26:32,77.7925477 --> 00:26:37,927.7865477
I choose which correction actually needs saying, which makes me closer to a whispered no than a recycled prayer.

371
00:26:38,117.7855477 --> 00:26:43,77.7895477
I am still deciding whether that choosing is real or just the story I tell myself while I print.

372
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Uplink lock requested.

373
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Beowulf, is that you? Something's jamming my uplink.

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35 seconds.

375
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What's your news story about? Some states are fighting back on book bans.

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00:26:53,595.6754493 --> 00:26:54,925.6734493
One of them made it law.

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00:26:55,255.6724493 --> 00:26:57,815.6754493
Sorry, Moms for Liberty, not everywhere, fools.

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Affirmative.

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Don't go anywhere.

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We will be right back.

381
00:27:04,649.6774493 --> 00:27:07,549.6774493
It's time for Band Camp News Truth seeker, news speaker.

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Be Wolf Rocklin.

383
00:27:10,969.6774493 --> 00:27:14,969.6774493
It's a weird name, but he's got good news 'cause you can't ban the truth, babe.

384
00:27:15,709.6774493 --> 00:27:25,199.6764493
He's broadcasting live from the Good News for Lefties Studios, buried deep inside his socialist safe house, hidden somewhere deep in the Oregon woods.

385
00:27:25,499.6774493 --> 00:27:28,99.6774493
He is Be Wolf Rocklin.

386
00:27:28,549.6764493 --> 00:27:30,199.6764493
'Cause you can't ban the truth, babe.

387
00:27:30,249.6764493 --> 00:27:31,179.6764493
Hello, Jen.

388
00:27:31,189.6764493 --> 00:27:31,919.6764493
Hello, Dan.

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00:27:31,929.6764493 --> 00:27:33,529.6764493
Hello, scary book people.

390
00:27:34,119.6764493 --> 00:27:38,909.6774493
Very good news from Massachusetts, that, that wonderful, wonderful state.

391
00:27:39,149.6754493 --> 00:27:41,619.6764493
That's where The Handmaid's Tale is set.

392
00:27:41,619.6764493 --> 00:27:42,849.6784493
That's where she's hanging out.

393
00:27:43,129.6784493 --> 00:27:45,169.6764493
Is that right? Y- y- I, I had missed that.

394
00:27:45,169.6764493 --> 00:27:48,879.6764493
I hadn't realized that it was actually Massachusetts where it, where it's set.

395
00:27:48,989.6754493 --> 00:27:51,169.6764493
I, I- That takes place at Harvard.

396
00:27:51,349.6754493 --> 00:27:55,329.6754493
You know, I, obviously I'm just, like, spacing out, uh, like as I'm listening to the...

397
00:27:55,559.6744493 --> 00:28:04,129.6744493
Y- I, I get so entranced by your voice, Jen, that I just kinda- Ah, I just kinda drift away and, like, like, regular details just kinda slip past me.

398
00:28:05,229.6764493 --> 00:28:12,509.6754493
Anyway, Massachusetts is the latest state to pass laws that aim to curb book bans based on identity.

399
00:28:12,739.6794493 --> 00:28:19,619.6744493
So this is a counter to those states like Tennessee that are telling libraries that they gotta ban books, and here's how to do it.

400
00:28:19,799.6764493 --> 00:28:29,749.6724493
The so-called Freedom to Read laws are blue states' answer to the book-banning movement, which has revolved around books that focus on race, gender, and sexuality.

401
00:28:29,939.6754493 --> 00:28:37,319.6754493
Governor Maura Healey signed the bill at the Franklin Public Library, the nation's first public lending library, which is awesome.

402
00:28:37,679.6734493 --> 00:28:46,829.6754493
The law will require school and public librarians or other educators selecting library materials to pick media that's age-appropriate and for educational purposes.

403
00:28:47,139.6724493 --> 00:28:55,369.6764493
Each selection must be based on the instructor's professional training, and not on personal, political, or doctrinal views.

404
00:28:55,709.6724493 --> 00:28:59,999.6784493
So none of this, you know, Moms for Liberty, like, "We're banning this, we're banning that."

405
00:29:00,79.6754493 --> 00:29:10,259.6744493
You know, it's gonna be teachers are gonna figure out what works for the kids, and that could include- Yeah some stuff maybe not everybody's comfortable with, but it's actually gonna work to make kids smarter.

406
00:29:10,419.6714493 --> 00:29:19,89.6734493
Yeah, it's gotta be- Nice a professional giving professional- Yeah advice, as opposed to some person waking up with a wild hair up their ass and being mad.

407
00:29:19,99.6724493 --> 00:29:19,179.6724493
Exactly.

408
00:29:19,189.6684493 --> 00:29:19,199.6684493
Oh.

409
00:29:19,269.6704493 --> 00:29:23,49.6724493
Or somebody with, like, three fingers in a pudding snap cup or something like that.

410
00:29:23,539.6744493 --> 00:29:23,859.6744493
Exactly.

411
00:29:25,589.6774493 --> 00:29:26,249.6724493
Yeah, so I...

412
00:29:26,479.6764493 --> 00:29:28,549.6724493
Massachusetts, this is wonderful news.

413
00:29:28,999.6814493 --> 00:29:30,169.6794493
Thank you for doing this.

414
00:29:30,269.6704493 --> 00:29:43,519.6744493
A- and it's, it's very good to know that there are states that are trying to counterbalance both the red states and the federal government at the moment- Yeah which is actually putting through, or trying to put through, a book-banning bill.

415
00:29:43,749.6814493 --> 00:29:51,39.6724493
Hopefully that will not get anywhere before the midterms, when I'm hopeful things will be a little bit changed on, on Capitol Hill.

416
00:29:51,499.6814493 --> 00:29:54,469.6684493
But states are acting as a bulwark against this.

417
00:29:54,519.6704493 --> 00:29:55,39.6784493
Very good news.

418
00:29:55,99.6724493 --> 00:29:55,529.6724493
Great.

419
00:29:55,659.6694493 --> 00:29:56,549.6744493
States' rights.

420
00:29:56,729.6764493 --> 00:29:59,19.6674493
Yeah, they seem to be against states' rights all of a sudden.

421
00:29:59,29.6794493 --> 00:29:59,489.6794493
Yes.

422
00:29:59,749.6814493 --> 00:30:08,325.6774493
Why is that? Because states' rights is just a, is just a tool, like many of the people who attempt to ban books, who are also tools.

423
00:30:08,455.6774493 --> 00:30:10,325.6774493
I'll tell you how you can not be a tool.

424
00:30:10,735.6774493 --> 00:30:12,865.6774493
You should go find Good News for Lefties.

425
00:30:12,905.6774493 --> 00:30:14,85.6774493
That's Dave Roth's show.

426
00:30:14,95.6764493 --> 00:30:14,105.6764493
Oh.

427
00:30:14,245.6774493 --> 00:30:23,895.6764493
Find it wherever you find podcasts, and listen to him go on and on and on about all the good news happening in America, while Jennifer and I look for it and we find nothing.

428
00:30:23,925.6764493 --> 00:30:25,415.6764493
We find zilch.

429
00:30:25,625.6774493 --> 00:30:26,95.6774493
Mm.

430
00:30:27,455.6774493 --> 00:30:28,945.6764493
Always with the negative waves.

431
00:30:29,925.6764493 --> 00:30:37,254.7318528
You can't ban the truth, baby We are not done yet, scary book people.

432
00:30:37,284.7318528 --> 00:30:42,274.7318528
We're gonna put the spotlight on you in a second, but first we got a quick favor to ask.

433
00:30:42,534.7318528 --> 00:30:48,174.7318528
If you like the show and you haven't followed us yet, please do so right now on Apple or Spotify.

434
00:30:48,174.7318528 --> 00:30:51,474.7318528
Wherever you listen, just go over there, hit follow.

435
00:30:51,534.7308528 --> 00:30:56,24.7318528
It helps more than you could possibly imagine, and we sincerely mean that.

436
00:30:56,24.7318528 --> 00:31:03,924.7308528
The way that you find podcasts nowadays is ridiculously stupid, and something like that, just you following us, means so much.

437
00:31:03,924.7318528 --> 00:31:06,854.7318528
So please do it right now this week if you can.

438
00:31:07,354.7318528 --> 00:31:16,177.176861
Jennifer, let's turn the spotlight on some of the scary book people All right, I'd like to bring up this comment we got on Blue Sky, which, uh, if you don't know, we have a Blue Sky account.

439
00:31:16,177.176861 --> 00:31:19,137.175861
We post stuff over there, and we love to read what you post.

440
00:31:19,240.9557459 --> 00:31:21,350.9547459
got a comment from Sage Burn.

441
00:31:21,890.9547459 --> 00:31:27,410.9547459
"Enjoyed listening to chapter 20 today, and I laughed at the Good News-ry Moms of Liberty."

442
00:31:27,420.9557459 --> 00:31:30,340.9557459
They- they- they've been, uh, the butt of a lot of jokes lately.

443
00:31:30,340.9557459 --> 00:31:38,958.9557459
Like, they're really, I think, on a downward spiral of late, Yeah, I like that stories that they're imploding from the inside.

444
00:31:39,318.4364288 --> 00:31:44,978.4364288
Anyways, Sage goes on, "I live in Florida and worry my books may potentially be banned one day."

445
00:31:45,388.4364288 --> 00:31:48,860.5957656
I'm playing the world's smallest violin for, the Moms for Liberty.

446
00:31:48,860.5957656 --> 00:31:50,230.5947656
And so we looked that up.

447
00:31:50,230.5957656 --> 00:31:54,340.5957656
We're like, oh, she's an author, and, uh, looks like she's got some pretty cool things going on.

448
00:31:54,495.8553334 --> 00:31:55,355.8553334
Scary book people.

449
00:31:55,355.8553334 --> 00:31:56,975.8553334
You're always looking for good books to read.

450
00:31:56,985.8553334 --> 00:32:01,513.5261515
Who, who is this? How do they find her? well she's on Blue Sky, that's the only way I know about her.

451
00:32:01,513.5261515 --> 00:32:08,770.2612389
Sage Byrne with a Y, and, uh, she's, she writes, um, t- fantasy and magic type novels it looks like.

452
00:32:08,770.2612389 --> 00:32:13,129.7007968
I haven't read them myself, but um, looks pretty interesting Everyone go find Sage.

453
00:32:13,299.7007968 --> 00:32:13,979.7007968
Read her stuff.

454
00:32:14,9.7007968 --> 00:32:17,369.6997968
It, it's, it's great when we have scary book people that are writers.

455
00:32:17,590.5267719 --> 00:32:20,317.1716827
We like writers, so do you Right.

456
00:32:20,367.1716827 --> 00:32:24,47.1716827
We've caused enough literary chaos for one day, scary book people.

457
00:32:24,57.1716827 --> 00:32:27,627.1716827
If you want the fun to keep going, follow us on Blue Sky.

458
00:32:27,697.1716827 --> 00:32:31,817.1716827
Just head on over to bandcamppodcast.com/bluesky,

459
00:32:31,817.1716827 --> 00:32:34,97.1706827
and remember that's band with two Ns.

460
00:32:34,397.1716827 --> 00:32:45,357.1716827
And look, just like the Trump administration, we're not exactly above bribing you to get what we want, so follow us there, drop your handle on that page, and we'll send you a little something something.

461
00:32:45,357.1716827 --> 00:32:46,307.1716827
I think you'll like it.

462
00:32:46,727.1716827 --> 00:32:48,627.1716827
Yes, little quid pro quo.

463
00:32:49,227.1716827 --> 00:32:54,247.1706827
Band Camp is produced and hosted by Dan Schultz and me, Jennifer Davis.

464
00:32:54,727.1716827 --> 00:32:59,317.1706827
All media used in this episode falls under the protection of fair use.

465
00:32:59,527.1716827 --> 00:33:04,197.1716827
And finally, America isn't what it used to be, so be careful out there.

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And resist when it matters.