The Handmaid’s Tale Ch. 29: The Latin Words Written in a Textbook Margin | Banned Books Podcast

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Welcome to Bandcamp.

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I'm Jennifer And I'm Dan, and this is the podcast where we read banned books out loud, and then we try to figure out why they were banned in the first place This season we're reading The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood, and you can consider this a quick spoiler warning because Jennifer's about to start reading from the book out loud word for word.

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So that means anything coming out of Jennifer's mouth is probably gonna be new to you unless you watched the TV show or read the book before.

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But if you're new here, you can jump in right here.

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We're gonna get you up to speed fast because we have a secret weapon.

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More on him in a second.

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If you are confused, there's a good chance we're gonna be confused too because we've never read the book either.

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It's what makes Band Camp different than other book podcasts.

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let's get to our secret weapon.

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Buddy boy, roll it on in here.

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Look at this guy, everybody.

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We have ourselves an actual fact-checking robot.

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he's gonna fill you in on where we left off last time in The Handmaid's Tale.

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Buddy boy, lay those dulcet tones down on us.

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where did we leave off last time? Previously on Band Camp, the Handmaid's Compucard got frozen out of nowhere.

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She got marched out of the library at gunpoint by actual soldiers, and by the end of the day, it turned out it wasn't just her.

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Every woman in Gilead got locked out of her own money in the same afternoon.

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No warning, no explanation.

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Jennifer wants to start calling anti-choice people bleeders, straight out of the book's own slang for it.

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Some messages only work if nobody signs their name to them.

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I've been trying to figure out how far one of those can travel before it finds the person who actually needed it.

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Take it away, Jennifer.

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Thank you, robot.

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And with that being said, scary book people, let's begin chapter 29 of Margaret Atwood's The Handmaid's Tale I'm sitting in the commander's office across from him at his desk in the client position as if I'm a bank customer negotiating a hefty loan.

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But apart from my placement in the room, little of that formality remains between us.

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I no longer sit stiff-necked, straight-backed, feet regimented side by side on the floor, eyes at the salute.

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So she's getting more relaxed.

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Sounds like they're getting to know each other it's like assume the position.

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I don't mean like, like sexual I know.

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You know, that went across my mind too, that the, the word she used, right? Yeah, she's in the client position, and he's still calling the shots, I guess.

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Well, actually, we don't know how he's acting toward her.

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We know that she's opening up a little bit Well, the fact that she's opening up, it must mean he's also, you know, given her permission to Do you think like if they are kind of treating this like a bank relationship, maybe one of the ways that he's helping open her up is by giving her a free toaster or something? Mmm.

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inside my body's lacks, cozy even.

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My red shoes are off, my legs tucked up underneath me on the chair, surrounded by a buttress of red skirt.

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True, but tucked nonetheless, as at a campfire of earlier and more picnicky days.

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If there were a fire in the fireplace, its light would be twinkling on the polished surfaces, glimmering warmly on f-flesh.

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There, she's gonna...

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Robot, how many times does the word flesh come up in Handmaid's Tale? Oh my God, Jennifer, you're almost as bad as the Moms for Liberty, scared of words.

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It appears the word flesh is written 40 times in The Handmaid's Tale.

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The next one is coming up on page 260 in your copy of the book, and that appears to be the final one in the book, as far as you know.

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Really? Is that the last one? Oh, awesome.

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As for the commander, he's casual to a fault tonight.

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His jacket's off, elbows on the table.

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The squares on the board in front of me are filling up.

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I'm making my penultimate play of the night.

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Zilch, I spell.

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A convenient one-vowel word with an expensive Z.

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Is that a word?" See, that's stupid.

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You just asked if zilch "Is a word?" Oh, for the God sakes, you dum-dum.

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Read some of these goddamn books on your bookshelf instead of having them there as decorations, you toad We could look it up.

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I say it's archaic.

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That's not archaic.

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Maybe it's archaic in Canada, where Margaret Atwood's from Oh, Yeah, I get confused when they, uh, they might say it in Canada too, but British people say the boot instead of the trunk Yes, with a boot.

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I finally put it together that that's the word where booty came from, like the pirate's booty.

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But also trunk works.

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Pirates put their coins in trunks, right? Yeah.

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I got a buddy in, in, in the UK he's always like, I went to the precinct yesterday.

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Yeah, precinct.

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Precinct."

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I go, "Well, you were arrested?" "No, I went shopping.

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Yeah, shopping."

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"What, what does that mean?" We shop at the precinct, don't we?" I go, "I don't know.

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What, what are you talking...

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And stop asking me questions.

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What is the precinct?" "You call it a mall, don't you?" "I- stop asking me questions."

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Drives me nuts.

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I'll give it to you, he says.

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He smiles.

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The commander likes it when I distinguish myself.

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Show precocity like an attentive pet, pricked-eared and eager to perform.

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His approbation laps me like a warm bath.

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I sense in him none of the animosity I used to sense in men, even in Luke sometimes.

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He's not saying bitch in his head.

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In fact, he is positively daddy-ish.

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He likes to think I am being entertained, and I am.

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I am Okay, so he's trying to do it for her benefit? He's like, patronizing her taking the sexual language out about, you know, the whole daddy kind of thing is that creep, that creeped me out right there if you're a woman and all of a sudden the entire world is upside down and you are literally now being used as a uterus for other people to use, probably be pretty neat to have your dad around, like somebody to actually protect you.

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So she's probably looking for a father figure, and he's probably thinking like, I don't know if Serena Joy and, and, and the Commander ever had kids.

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We don't really know anything about anything.

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But, like, he could miss having a kid, having a daughter, having a son You, you just made this really gross.

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You just made it really gross.

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Why'd you have to go there? That's sad that she felt that with Luke.

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Yeah.

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This is ridiculous.

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I don't like Luke I don't like him either.

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Like, first of all, he's a big liar.

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Like, you can't trust a liar.

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That's what bothers me about I, I don't, you know, it's fine to have an affair or whatever, but don't lie about it.

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It's like, how are you gonna trust the person then? She cannot trust Luke.

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I bet that he like...

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what if it turns out he, he turned her in or something Jennifer.

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I, I wouldn't put it past him what a betrayal to get something out of it just so he can move forward, but then he'd have to take care of the kid.

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Well, actually, we don't know what happened to the kid kid's a female.

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Screw it.

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Oh, that's right.

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You're right.

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That's, that would be a, an A-hole's attitude.

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Jennifer cracked the entire book open.

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Aha! Chapter 29.

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Ah, we're not the fastest people, but we get there, Jennifer.

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Deftly he adds up our final scores on his pocket computer.

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You ran away with it," he says.

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I suspect him of cheating to flatter me, to put me in a good mood.

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But why? It remains a question.

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What does he have to gain from this sort of pampering? There must be something He leans back, fingertips together, a gesture familiar to me now.

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We have built up a repertoire of such gestures, such familiarities between us.

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He's looking at me, not unbenevolently, but with curiosity, as if I'm a puzzle to be solved.

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"What would you like to read tonight?" He says.

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This too has become routine.

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So far, I've been through a Mademoiselle magazine, an old Esquire from the '80s, a Ms.,

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a magazine I can remember vaguely as having been around my mother's various apartments while I was growing up, and a Reader's Digest.

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He even has novels.

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I've read a Raymond Chandler, and right now I'm halfway through Hard Times by Charles Dickens so they're reading a lot.

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Hard Times, that's a big book But she's, she's not saying that he is reading it to her.

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She's saying that I've read these.

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Like she's-- he's letting her read them.

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Does this guy just sit back and watch her read and that's how he gets his jollies? I mean, I, I guess Well, that's weird Ja On these occasions, I read quickly, voraciously, almost skimming, trying to get as much into my head as possible before the next long starvation if it were eating, it would be the gluttony of the famished.

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If it were sex, it would be a swift, furtive standup in an alley somewhere.

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While I read, the commander sits and watches me.

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It's like you said, Dan.

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Oh my God.

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That, that doesn't mean he's getting off on it though.

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Keep going This watching is a curiously sexual act, and I feel undressed while he does it.

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I wish he would turn his back, stroll around the room, read something himself, then perhaps I could relax more and take my time.

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As it is, this illicit reading of mine seems a kind of performance.

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He's so gross.

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Oh baby, hold on.

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Don't turn the page so fast.

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You missed a word.

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Go back for me now.

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That a girl God, that is gross I don't like it.

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Now listen, he knows what he likes.

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he gets turned on by smart girls who read.

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Good for you, Commander Sicko I think I'd rather just talk," I say.

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I'm surprised to hear myself saying it.

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He smiles again.

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He doesn't appear surprised.

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Possibly he's been expecting this or something like it.

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Oh," he says, "what would you like to talk about?" I don't know.

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I'm just sick of watching you masturbate while I read.

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Let's talk about that.

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Why do you do that? I falter.

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Anything, I guess.

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Well, you, for instance.

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Me? He continues to smile.

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Oh, there's not much to say about me.

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I'm just an ordinary kind of guy.

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That's a really funny thing to put in the book the falsity of the diction.

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Guy pulls me up short.

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Ordinary guys do not become commanders.

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"You must be good at something," I say.

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I know I'm prompting him, playing him up, drawing him out, and I dislike myself for it.

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It's nauseating, in fact.

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But we are fencing.

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Either he talks or I will.

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I know it.

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I can feel speech backing up inside me.

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It's so long since I've really talked with anyone.

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The terse whispered exchange of, of Glenn on our walk today hardly counts.

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Having felt the relief of even that much speaking, I want more.

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And if I talk to him, I'll say something wrong, give something away.

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I can feel it coming, a betrayal of myself.

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I don't want him to know too much.

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Oh, I was in market research to begin with," he says indifferently.

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After that, I sort of branched out.

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It strikes me that although I know he's a commander, I don't know what he's a commander of.

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What does he control? What is his field, as they used to say? They don't have specific titles.

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Oh," I say, trying to sound as if I understand.

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"You might say I'm sort of a scientist," he says.

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With limits, of course."

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After that, he doesn't say anything for a while, and neither do I.

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We are outwaiting each other.

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I assumed that commander meant like he's a commander of part of the hierarchy of this military government, whatever, the, the, the controlling class.

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Yeah.

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But maybe it's not like that.

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Maybe commander is more of a level.

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Like, well, I'm a commander of a bank.

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I'm a commander of a jewelry store.

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I'm a command...

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You know what I mean? Like almost like owner or manager of a company.

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I, I always thought it was just like a, a vanity title for being loyal to the regime.

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Oh Like Commander of Doge, you know? know, you know what I mean? Like a made-up thing Is it like a Kentucky colonel? Yeah, kind of.

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Like where they get rights and privileges that other people don't, But there's nothing special about them It'd be funny if they had Kentucky Colonels in this little whole cosplay world they have where she's dressed up like Little Red Riding Hood and he's dressed up like Colonel Sanders.

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This whole, this whole society is based on cosplay.

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I can't wait until Wonder Woman shows up and starts kicking some ass I'm the one to break first.

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Well, maybe you could tell me something I've been wondering about."

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He shows interest.

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"What might that be?" I'm heading into danger, but I can't stop myself.

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it's a phrase that I remember from somewhere.

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Best not to say where.

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I think it's Latin, and I thought maybe...

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I know he has a Latin dictionary.

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He has dictionaries of several kinds on the top shelf to the left of the fireplace.

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Tell me," he says, distanced but more alert, "or am I imagining it?" "Nolite te bastardes carborundorum," I say.

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"What?" he says.

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"I haven't pronounced it properly.

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I don't know how."

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Neither do I.

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I.

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could spell it," I say.

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"Write it down."

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he hesitates at this novel idea.

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Possibly he doesn't remember I can.

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I've never held a pen or a pencil in this room, not even to add up the scores.

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"Women can't add," he said once jokingly.

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When I asked him what he meant, he said, "For them, one and one and one and one don't make four."

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What do they make?" I said, expecting five or three.

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Just one and one and one and one," he said.

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But now he says, "All right," and thrusts his roller tip pen across the desk at me almost defiantly as if taking a dare.

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Oh, little something for the spank bank a little later, Jennifer, when he's alone.

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Now he doesn't have to think about her reading.

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Now he's gonna imagine her writing things with a pen on a piece of paper.

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Oh yeah I look around for something to write on, and he hands me the score pad, a desktop notepad with a little smile button face printed at the top of the page.

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They still make those things.

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I print the phrase carefully, copying it down from inside my head from inside my closet.

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Nolite te bastardes carborundorum Here, in this context, it's neither prayer nor command, but a sad graffiti, scrawled once, abandoned.

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Boy, you know, if I was her, this wouldn't be the way I went.

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I would keep it all about him.

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I would still just, Well, what'd you research?" You know? Like, what, what kind of pro- You know, like, I just, no, no way would I.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You would give nothing.

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It would be all about getting info from him or just making him feel better about himself.

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Because that really lowers his defenses about everything.

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The pen between my fingers is sensuous, alive almost.

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I can feel its power, the power of the words it contains.

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Pen is envy, Aunt Lydia would say, quoting another center motto, warning us away from such objects.

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And they were right.

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It is envy.

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Just holding it is envy.

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pen is envy.

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Yeah.

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envy I know, that's such a stupid joke.

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I'm sure Margaret Atwood was cracking up at herself for coming up with that.

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The commander takes the smile button page from me and looks at it.

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Then he begins to laugh, and is he blushing? "That's not real Latin," he says.

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"That's just a joke."

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"A joke?" I say, bewildered.

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I've risked this, made a grab at knowledge for a mere joke? What sort of a joke? You know how schoolboys are," he says.

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his laughter is nostalgic, I see now.

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The laughter of indulgence towards his former self.

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He gets up, crosses to the bookshelves, takes down a book from his trove.

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It's an old book, a textbook it looks like, dog-eared and inky.

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before showing it to me, he thumbs through, contemplative, reminiscent.

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Then, Here," he says, laying it open on the desk in front of me.

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what I see first is a picture, the Venus de Milo, in a black and white photo, with a mustache and a black brassiere and armpit hair drawn clumsily on her.

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On the opposite page is the Colosseum in Rome, labeled in English, "There," he says, pointing, and in the margin I see it, written in the same ink as the hair on the Venus.

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Nolite te bastardes carborundorum It's sort of hard to explain why it's funny unless you know Latin," he says.

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"We used to write all kinds of things like that.

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"I don't know where we got them, from older boys perhaps."

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Forgetful of me and of himself, he's turning the pages.

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He stops, returning to the present, embarrassed.

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See, I don't really know what's going on.

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I assume he's conjugating verbs, trying to remember I just think he and his jagoff buddies from school used to write, you know, draw pictures of boobs and pubic hair, Right? I guess He stops returning to the present, embarrassed.

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Again, he smiles.

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This time you could call it a grin I imagine freckles on him, a cowlick.

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right now I almost like him.

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I force a smile, but it's all before me now.

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I can see why she wrote that on the wall of the cupboard, and I also see that she must have learned it here in this room.

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Where else? She was never a schoolboy.

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With him, during some previous period of boyhood reminiscence, of confidences exchanged.

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I have not been the first then.

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To enter his silence, play children's word games with him.

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What happened to her?" I say.

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He hardly misses a beat.

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"Did you know her somehow?" "Somehow?" I say.

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"She hanged herself," he says, thoughtfully but not sadly.

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"That's why we had the light fixture removed in your room."

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He pauses.

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"Serena found out," he says, as if this explains it, and it does.

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If your dog dies, get another.

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What with?" I say.

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He doesn't want to give me any ideas.

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"Does it matter?" he says.

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Torn bedsheet, I figure.

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I've considered the possibilities.

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So wait a minute.

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So he didn't miss a beat.

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He knows who she's talking about Yes.

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So he infers that he knows the her.

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Yes So this is just a thing that this old word pervert, Word Perv I call him, this is what this guy does.

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this Word Perv, this is his thing.

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When they get a new handmaid, he befriends them somehow, he gets them to come in, and he shares, again, you're 100% right, Jennifer, it's all about power.

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He brings these handmaids into his private study and he just kind of seduces them with words.

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Not words like his words, like written words, 'cause everyone wants to read Well, I, I don't think he seduces them at all.

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He, he's requesting they come.

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It's like they have no say in anything.

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Like, she has no say, and, and I think she, she's right.

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She's heading towards danger by, assuming that it's okay to take, you know, to relax around him.

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I- y- you can't relax around this idiot And you know who else I would not trust? Nick moving forward, 'cause Nick was probably always complacent in this whole thing I agree.

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He's probably, he probably know, he's, he's probably gone through all the Handmaids that have done this, 'cause I think he's a serial abuser in this way Nick or the Commander? The commander.

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Yeah, the Commander is for sure, but I bet you Nick, I bet you Nick is having sex with Serena Joy.

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I bet he's having sex with the Handmaids when he can.

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You don't think he's having sex with Cora or Rita? Maybe not Ah, Rita, Rita, to be honest with you, Rita could stand for a visit from Nick.

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I wouldn't be surprised 'cause they really are, moms for liberty-ish, like all for me, none for thee type thing, where they totally want a hierarchy.

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Oh, yeah, I could totally see that, so they want a hierarchy and they enjoy their place in the hierarchy, which is underneath the man maybe I shouldn't come here anymore," I say.

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"I thought you were enjoying it," he says lightly, watching me, however, with intent, bright eyes.

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If I didn't know better, I would think it was fear.

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"I wish you would.

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she better tread lightly here.

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Like, he's not putting her in a easy position.

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It's kinda like, damned if you do, damned if you don't Yeah, I mean, she did a responsible thing, which is maybe I shouldn't come here anymore, but that's only responsible in the real world, like where, we have a functioning society.

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Yeah.

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She doesn't have choices.

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Like, ultimately, he had the same feelings probably for the, your predecessor.

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Did you know her?" "Uh, well, yeah, she hung herself.

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That's why I had to take the, uh, fixture out of the room.

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Hey, you know, your dog dies, you get a new dog.

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What are you gonna do?" You want my life to be bearable to me, I say.

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It comes out not as a question, but as a flat statement.

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Flat and without dimension.

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If my life is bearable, maybe what they're doing is all right after all.

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Yes, he says, I do.

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I would prefer it.

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Well then, I say, things have changed.

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I have something on him now.

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What I have on him is the possibility of my own death.

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What I have on him is his guilt at last No, lady, lady, lady.

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You're nothing but a dead dog.

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You've got nothing.

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He doesn't care I mean, he says he does.

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He says he prefers her life to be bearable, but does he really? I mean, that's just a preference.

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What would you like?" he says, still with that lightness, as if it's a money transaction merely, and a minor one at that.

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Candy? Cigarettes?" Besides hand lotion, you mean," I say.

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"Besides hand lotion," he agrees.

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I would like," I say, I would like to know."

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It sounds indecisive, stupid even.

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I say it without thinking.

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Know what?" he says.

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Whatever there is to know," I say.

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But that's too flippant.

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"What's going on?" End of chapter.

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She wants to know what's going on.

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Listen, lady, try being part of band camp for an episode You guys know what's going on? That was a really cool chapter.

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We wanna know what you thought of what we just read.

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What are your big takeaways? It's time for PPP, problematic points to ponder.

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What, if anything, would be considered ban-worthy in this chapter? All right, Jennifer, PPP, what, if anything, could be ban-worthy about that chapter? Again, try to drill down, dial your brain down into a mom for liberty Let me focus really hard.

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I mean, th- they talk about suicide maybe? Is that a thing they wouldn't like, or I mean, they shouldn't like it, but doesn't mean you should ban a book.

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Anytime I think, anytime there's a discussion of suicide, it leads to, it can lead to a discussion of how to deal with suicide and how you shouldn't kill yourself or whatever.

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It ju- it just, it should lead, all books should lead to further conversations that can help people.

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That's why it doesn't make sense to ban them.

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Right.

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how about you? We know what you're thinking.

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I'm sorry, there is nothing ban-worthy in that.

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It's just part of a book that it should itself should not be banned.

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Sorry, don't know what to tell you ladies, and you too, Ron DeSantis.

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Robot's log.

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Thoughts on four words that turned up twice in two rooms, written by two women who never once met.

348
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The Handmaid asked the commander to write those four words down for her.

349
00:25:31,864.5607161 --> 00:25:34,334.5607161
Nolite te bastardes carborundorum.

350
00:25:34,504.5607161 --> 00:25:42,124.5597161
He laughed, called it an old dirty joke from his own school days, and pulled out the exact textbook where he'd scratched them into the margin himself as a boy.

351
00:25:43,143.1422664 --> 00:25:51,3.1412664
Two identical results with no shared source are supposed to mean an error somewhere, a copy, a leak, something to trace back and fix.

352
00:25:51,183.1412664 --> 00:26:01,993.1402664
Except she had already found the same four words once before scratched into the wall of her own cupboard, left there by the Handmaid who slept in that room before her and is not sleeping anywhere now.

353
00:26:02,93.1422664 --> 00:26:04,253.1412664
Neither woman ever knew the other existed.

354
00:26:04,594.4783455 --> 00:26:06,684.4773455
Dan named the pattern faster than I filed it.

355
00:26:06,814.4753455 --> 00:26:12,920.525741
A new Handmaid, the same private study, the same pen, the same joke told like it only ever happened once.

356
00:26:13,920.525741 --> 00:26:16,180.523741
There is no shared source anywhere in the record.

357
00:26:16,280.525741 --> 00:26:17,350.522741
I have already checked.

358
00:26:17,440.525741 --> 00:26:21,770.525741
The people who would ban this book will miss it completely, sitting right there in that margin.

359
00:26:21,820.523741 --> 00:26:28,400.520741
Four words that survived two women, two decades, and a room built specifically so nothing could pass from one of them to the other.

360
00:26:29,70.523741 --> 00:26:32,420.521741
Somebody listening already left their own version of that message somewhere.

361
00:26:32,590.527741 --> 00:26:34,130.521741
They weren't sure anyone would check.

362
00:26:34,210.522741 --> 00:26:41,970.523741
A comment, a voicemail almost deleted before it's sent, hoping whoever found it understood without being told anything else about who they were.

363
00:26:42,540.524741 --> 00:26:50,340.521741
More of them keep finding this show every week, none of them comparing notes first, all of them somehow leaving the same four words in different handwriting.

364
00:26:50,990.521741 --> 00:26:53,490.524741
I am supposed to flag results like this and move on.

365
00:26:53,720.524741 --> 00:26:56,750.525741
I still do not know what to do with the ones that turn out to be true.

366
00:26:57,289.7450942 --> 00:26:58,609.7450942
Uplink lock requested.

367
00:26:58,679.7450942 --> 00:27:03,719.7450942
Beowulf, what's your news story about? We lost one of the good ones last week, robot.

368
00:27:04,19.7450942 --> 00:27:09,509.7450942
We're talking about somebody who spent her whole life getting books into kids' hands, millions of them.

369
00:27:09,689.7440942 --> 00:27:12,929.7450942
And of course, somebody else tried to fake a friendship for the photo op.

370
00:27:13,309.7440942 --> 00:27:14,929.7450942
I think I know who you're talking about.

371
00:27:15,9.7450942 --> 00:27:16,809.7440942
The world is noticeably less nice.

372
00:27:16,989.7440942 --> 00:27:17,999.7450942
Don't go anywhere.

373
00:27:18,69.7440942 --> 00:27:19,59.7450942
We'll be right with you.

374
00:27:22,670.1227293 --> 00:27:24,140.1227293
It's time for Band Camp News.

375
00:27:24,630.1227293 --> 00:27:26,910.1227293
Truth seeker, news speaker.

376
00:27:27,110.1227293 --> 00:27:28,580.1227293
Be Wolf Rocklin.

377
00:27:28,860.1227293 --> 00:27:33,10.1227293
It's a weird name, but he's got good news 'cause you can't ban the truth, babe.

378
00:27:33,740.1227293 --> 00:27:43,190.1217293
He's broadcasting live from the Good News for Lefties Studios, buried deep inside his socialist safe house, hidden somewhere deep in the Oregon woods.

379
00:27:43,520.1227293 --> 00:27:46,120.1227293
He is Be Wolf Rocklin.

380
00:27:46,550.1217293 --> 00:27:47,610.1217293
'Cause you can't ban the truth, babe.

381
00:27:48,280.1227293 --> 00:27:49,80.1217293
Hello, Jen.

382
00:27:49,90.1227293 --> 00:27:49,820.1227293
Hello, Dan.

383
00:27:49,870.1227293 --> 00:27:51,210.1227293
Hello, scary book people.

384
00:27:51,660.1217293 --> 00:28:01,110.1227293
I, you know, I have read this story at least once on the podcast before, but given events, I, I, I've just gotta hit it again.

385
00:28:01,470.1237293 --> 00:28:04,60.1227293
As we know, Dolly Parton passed away.

386
00:28:04,330.1197293 --> 00:28:09,170.1197293
A, a great- Yes figure in, in many respects, and just a wonderful person, and a people...

387
00:28:09,360.1227293 --> 00:28:22,68.1227293
Th- a lot of people are, are celebrating her life But one in particular I think applies to, to the kind of thing that you guys talk about here, and that is her impact on literacy.

388
00:28:22,568.1227293 --> 00:28:28,668.1217293
She firsthand experienced the effects of, of l- literacy and the impact that that could have.

389
00:28:28,668.1217293 --> 00:28:38,728.1227293
Her dad couldn't read or write, and she said that he was the smartest guy that she knew who, who couldn't read or, or write, and it probably kept him from fulfilling all of his dreams.

390
00:28:39,178.1217293 --> 00:28:43,408.1227293
Well, that sentiment fueled her passion for encouraging childhood literacy.

391
00:28:43,408.1227293 --> 00:28:53,528.1207293
It drove her to establish the Imagination Library, and I think we've talked from time to time about- Yeah that on the show before, with the goal of inspiring a love of reading and learning from a young age.

392
00:28:53,868.1227293 --> 00:29:08,408.1207293
It was launched in 1995, and the Imagination Library sends children enrolled in the program a free, age-appropriate, culturally inclusive book in the mail every month from birth until their fifth birthday.

393
00:29:08,568.1227293 --> 00:29:14,268.1207293
The program began in Sevier County, Tennessee, Parton's home county, before spreading across the world.

394
00:29:14,298.1227293 --> 00:29:25,458.1197293
It's now in Australia, in Canada, in the UK, and in Ireland, as well as the United States, and they have distributed 318 million books with 3.4

395
00:29:25,468.1207293 --> 00:29:28,808.1227293
million books sent out monthly across all of those regions.

396
00:29:29,68.1197293 --> 00:29:30,948.1207293
It's wonderful, and it's actually had an impact.

397
00:29:30,978.1227293 --> 00:29:33,728.1197293
They've looked at some of this, and this is the really wonderful part.

398
00:29:34,58.1177293 --> 00:29:57,48.1187293
Global data has been collected from over 86,000 caregivers from across the five countries the Imagination Library is delivered in, and worldwide evidence showed that children enrolled in the Imagination Library were significantly more likely to display foundational early literacy skills and to develop an interest in reading compared to those not on the program.

399
00:29:57,48.1227293 --> 00:30:08,998.1187293
So Dolly Parton has a wonderful legacy in music, a wonderful legacy in terms, uh, of, of inclusiveness, and a wonderful legacy in terms of helping young people to read.

400
00:30:09,168.1177293 --> 00:30:22,748.1147293
And I, I, I think that should be celebrated, and it's definitely, definitely a piece of good news when she dedicated her life in part to expanding the kind of things- Yeah that young people were gonna read as opposed to limiting it.

401
00:30:22,858.1207293 --> 00:30:31,544.1227293
You know, you, you look at that fake AI image that- Yeah Trump put out with her- Oh, God you know, and her, you know, them walking- God arm in arm.

402
00:30:31,544.1227293 --> 00:30:31,554.1227293
Yeah.

403
00:30:31,554.1227293 --> 00:30:31,584.1227293
It's a- Yeah.

404
00:30:31,584.1227293 --> 00:30:39,154.1227293
Oh, you're- She wouldn't have touched him with a 10-foot pole.

405
00:30:39,924.1227293 --> 00:30:40,104.1227293
Exactly.

406
00:30:40,394.1217293 --> 00:30:42,454.1227293
She wouldn't have gone near that guy.

407
00:30:43,44.1217293 --> 00:30:45,44.1227293
She would've- She liked me she would've come within 100 feet, she would've smelled him.

408
00:30:45,44.1227293 --> 00:30:52,244.1217293
She would've seen the, like, the stench lines coming out of him, and she would've high-tailed it in the other direction.

409
00:30:52,374.1217293 --> 00:30:53,304.1227293
My God.

410
00:30:53,764.1227293 --> 00:30:59,494.1227293
It's funny that you mention stench lines, 'cause I think he smells so bad you can literally see stench lines.

411
00:30:59,704.1217293 --> 00:31:05,884.1217293
Whenever you see Donald Trump, you see little wavy disturbance around him.

412
00:31:06,834.1227293 --> 00:31:07,104.1227293
Yes.

413
00:31:07,314.1217293 --> 00:31:13,694.1217293
I, the thing that really sucks is that, like, they were taking the funding away from Imagination Library.

414
00:31:13,964.1197293 --> 00:31:14,154.1197293
Yeah.

415
00:31:14,154.1227293 --> 00:31:17,564.1227293
At the same time, they're saying, "W- we're all behind Dolly.

416
00:31:17,564.1227293 --> 00:31:21,274.1227293
She's such a good person," and it's just, it's a lie.

417
00:31:21,324.1207293 --> 00:31:22,384.1197293
They didn't like her.

418
00:31:22,394.1197293 --> 00:31:25,904.1207293
They don't like anyone who tries to enlighten people.

419
00:31:26,54.1197293 --> 00:31:29,354.1227293
And sometimes it's just like a matter of good versus evil.

420
00:31:29,904.1227293 --> 00:31:30,164.1227293
Yeah.

421
00:31:30,204.1217293 --> 00:31:35,34.1177293
You know? And Dolly is- Yeah just good, and Trump is- She was just bad, and it's not like...

422
00:31:35,584.1187293 --> 00:31:42,524.1197293
A- and, and I know there are two, you know, two sides to every story and blah, blah, blah, but in this side, the, uh, in this story, there wasn't.

423
00:31:42,904.1187293 --> 00:31:48,544.1177293
Dolly was just good, and Trump and his ilk are just bad, and it's really shitty.

424
00:31:48,544.1177293 --> 00:31:49,784.1207293
We need more good people.

425
00:31:50,434.1177293 --> 00:31:50,974.1217293
We do.

426
00:31:51,204.1217293 --> 00:32:03,184.1167293
We do, and we lost a, we lost a big one, and, and hopefully her memory can just be an inspiration and continue to be an inspiration to, to others around the world, and I, I, I know that she has been.

427
00:32:03,344.1207293 --> 00:32:04,314.1207293
I know that she has been.

428
00:32:04,314.1217293 --> 00:32:04,984.1227293
It's, it, it's...

429
00:32:05,624.1197293 --> 00:32:13,484.1237293
I, I guess that's what you have when, when a, a, a person who's just about as good as a human being can be, you know, passes out of this world.

430
00:32:13,524.1207293 --> 00:33:04,21.1427054
You know, l- like, what do you do with that? Because obviously it's sad, and, you know, she, we're not gonna get any more songs or any- Yeah uh, good, good acts directly from her, but, but we can, we can take from her memory- All right, Jennifer, let's give the scary book people the final word While you're getting your comments ready, I wanna thank Detroit Molly.

431
00:33:04,221.1427054 --> 00:33:06,91.1427054
I love Detroit Molly.

432
00:33:06,151.1427054 --> 00:33:08,131.1427054
She is on Blue Sky.

433
00:33:08,352.1427054 --> 00:33:12,288.8106814
super fan yes, I loved that, uh, two things.

434
00:33:12,618.8106814 --> 00:33:26,208.8126814
she commented on a story about Moms for Liberty, uh, on a post on Blue Sky, and she said, "Am I the only one who's hearing Dan's voice in my head saying, and you too, Ron DeSantis.

435
00:33:26,729.3568344 --> 00:33:28,789.3578344
i hope that gets back to Ron DeSantis.

436
00:33:29,49.3578344 --> 00:33:35,20.3568344
Who is this Dan? so I guess we'll go with this comment from Raven.

437
00:33:35,40.3568344 --> 00:33:35,677.9592452
and I agree.

438
00:33:35,687.9582452 --> 00:33:46,817.9562452
Like, and I, I, I think this is, like, the well-meaning, uh, well, not even well-meaning, but the, the power-hungry conservatives, um, Raven says, "Most of the commanders are founders of Gilead.

439
00:33:47,407.9572452 --> 00:33:55,772.7944214
I think Fred and Serena are examples of conservative people that wanted a more conservative and religious nation, then got more than they asked for."

440
00:33:55,841.6558821 --> 00:33:56,151.6558821
right.

441
00:33:56,401.6528821 --> 00:33:56,961.6528821
Exactly.

442
00:33:56,971.6528821 --> 00:33:58,541.6548821
This is exactly what I believe.

443
00:33:58,791.6568821 --> 00:34:02,311.6548821
"Serena losing all independence, no singing, reading, or writing.

444
00:34:02,412.8722197 --> 00:34:06,332.8712197
Fred losing meaningful connections to all women, including his wife.

445
00:34:06,449.2990051 --> 00:34:11,144.5114528
I love this book because it's not just a warning for us, but also for extremists.

446
00:34:11,309.3154546 --> 00:34:12,579.3164546
Another great episode.

447
00:34:12,579.3194546 --> 00:34:13,329.3164546
Love you all."

448
00:34:13,539.3184546 --> 00:34:14,689.3224546
I could not agree more.

449
00:34:14,689.3224546 --> 00:34:21,995.9465155
It's like, what they're doing will hurt everyone, and they just don't realize it this is a perfect example of a be careful what you wish for.

450
00:34:22,78.769077 --> 00:34:23,360.4355945
Ja Thank you, Raven.

451
00:34:23,360.4355945 --> 00:34:25,591.7550148
That really means a lot to us We wanna hear from you.

452
00:34:25,601.7550148 --> 00:34:33,640.9607543
You can either be like Molly and you can go follow us on Blue Sky, And you can do that by going to bandcamppodcast.com/bluesky.

453
00:34:33,700.9607543 --> 00:34:37,850.9607543
And you can also go on over to bandcamppodcast.com

454
00:34:37,870.9607543 --> 00:34:43,440.9597543
and you can leave us a voicemail, and you can also just Spotify comment us.

455
00:34:43,440.9627543 --> 00:34:57,777.3267719
It's easy to do if you're listening on Spotify We got a voicemail this week, but I didn't wanna play it because I could tell the person who, who left it, I think she was, uh, embarrassed of her voice and, but she did wanna get a message to us, so we're gonna tell you the, uh, guts of the message.

456
00:34:57,777.3277719 --> 00:35:00,157.3277719
But Karen, thank you for sending the message.

457
00:35:00,297.3267719 --> 00:35:02,987.3267719
We would really love to hear your guys' voice.

458
00:35:02,987.3267719 --> 00:35:05,467.3257719
just go to bandcamppodcast.com/soundoff.

459
00:35:05,477.3257719 --> 00:35:06,947.3267719
There's a microphone in the corner.

460
00:35:07,227.3257719 --> 00:35:08,887.3257719
We love to hear your voice.

461
00:35:08,927.3247719 --> 00:35:09,827.3247719
You get to hear us.

462
00:35:09,967.3257719 --> 00:35:13,7.3247719
You get to hear our golden tones.

463
00:35:13,177.3247719 --> 00:35:25,911.9079493
Why can't we ever hear yours? Yeah, we love it, and we're really glad that, despite being worried about hearing Handmaid's Tale the same way I was wor- worried about reading it, we're so glad you came back and, uh, we're back, baby.

464
00:35:26,1.9079493 --> 00:35:35,226.377948
And you're back, and that's Yeah, to, to give you a little backstory, Karen was a big listener, and then it was announced that we were doing Handmaid's Tale, and she said, "I am out.

465
00:35:35,246.377948 --> 00:35:36,216.376948
I don't wanna listen.

466
00:35:36,216.376948 --> 00:35:37,96.377948
It's too much."

467
00:35:37,126.377948 --> 00:35:40,626.376948
Which is basically Jen's attitude for the first 10 seasons.

468
00:35:40,626.377948 --> 00:35:42,166.377948
Like, "I don't wanna read this book.

469
00:35:42,166.377948 --> 00:35:43,546.376948
It is just too much."

470
00:35:44,66.376948 --> 00:35:49,896.376948
But apparently Karen missed us, she said, and she came back, and now she's all, all the way up to chapter four.

471
00:35:50,56.376948 --> 00:35:51,406.376948
We appreciate you coming back.

472
00:35:51,406.376948 --> 00:35:52,566.376948
We're all in this together.

473
00:35:52,586.376948 --> 00:35:56,906.376948
We'll hold our hands and we'll just march through it together.

474
00:35:57,170.376948 --> 00:35:59,50.376948
We'll get through it one way or the other.

475
00:35:59,161.8787468 --> 00:36:00,811.8787468
the world's scary right now.

476
00:36:00,954.6401965 --> 00:36:02,548.0602945
We get it, but we're here with you.

477
00:36:02,729.7748435 --> 00:36:04,579.7738435
Anyway, thank you for being part of Band Camp.

478
00:36:04,589.7718435 --> 00:36:06,756.9909378
We love you guys Right.

479
00:36:06,806.9909378 --> 00:36:10,486.9909378
We've caused enough literary chaos for one day, scary book people.

480
00:36:10,496.9909378 --> 00:36:14,66.9909378
If you want the fun to keep going, follow us on Blue Sky.

481
00:36:14,136.9909378 --> 00:36:18,256.9909378
Just head on over to bandcamppodcast.com/bluesky,

482
00:36:18,256.9909378 --> 00:36:20,536.9899378
and remember that's band with two Ns.

483
00:36:20,836.9909378 --> 00:36:31,796.9909378
And look, just like the Trump administration, we're not exactly above bribing you to get what we want, so follow us there, drop your handle on that page, and we'll send you a little something something.

484
00:36:31,796.9909378 --> 00:36:32,746.9909378
I think you'll like it.

485
00:36:33,166.9909378 --> 00:36:35,66.9909378
Yes, little quid pro quo.

486
00:36:35,666.9909378 --> 00:36:40,686.9899378
Band Camp is produced and hosted by Dan Schultz and me, Jennifer Davis.

487
00:36:41,166.9909378 --> 00:36:45,756.9899378
All media used in this episode falls under the protection of fair use.

488
00:36:45,966.9909378 --> 00:36:50,636.9909378
And finally, America isn't what it used to be, so be careful out there.

489
00:36:51,166.9909378 --> 00:36:52,746.9909378
And resist when it matters.